Birth Certificate issues (IT) about sdg-sandbox HOT 4 CLOSED

Thanks @giorgialodi for you comments.

We redirect you to issue #37, where we answered points (1), (3) and (4). As for point (2), would the following be a better definition of Birth?

The event indicating the moment a person emerges from the body of another person (start of life).

In the definition above, notions of child, parents, etc. have been removed because they can then be defined separately from the definition of birth, but also because they have a biological meaning and a legal meaning. This raises the question whether a clarification on the child-parents relationship interpretation (e.g. legal, biological, etc.) is needed?

Additionally, if I understand correctly you propose to remove the notion of birth and have a direct relation from the birth certificate to a Person and make the information about the birth attributes of the person – e.g. the date and place of birth and the relationships about the person’s parents can be modelled as attributes of the person. Do other member states agree on the approach?

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hi @cbahim, the so-called "parental relationships" have also a legal characterization in our context, not only biological. In any case, I noticed that the modelling proposal was not accepted. Fine. However, I would like to raise your attention that I am not fully sure that the current model allows us to certify the date of birth (and place of birth). In this sense, the Spanish model in issue #37 seems to me highlighting better this aspect. The current model you propose certifies the birth of a child (with possibly parent 1 and parent 2 useful for those member states including this information in the evidence), but I do not see how it can certify the date of birth and place of birth since these are attributes of a person, not of the event being certified. Said in another way, with this model I would have expected to see that a BirthEvidence certifies Birth (of a child with parent 1 and parent 2) occuringIn Place and happeningAt Date. Not sure if I was able to let you understand what I mean :)

BTW: what we want to certify? Which is the minimum set of information we want to certify with the Birth Evidence, considering all the possible cases of Member States reacting to this work?

What do you think about this?

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Ah, I forget, in the marriage evidence, you indeed certify the marriage date and place because you included these properties in the marriage event being certified by the evidence. So in the case of Birth, you do not want to certify the date of birth and place of birth, correct?

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