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teytaud avatar teytaud commented on July 19, 2024 3

Maybe the reservoir computing paradigm answers your question:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echo_state_network

and https://ctallec.github.io/world-models/ also contains an explanation:
<<Our interpretation of this phenomenon is that even if the recurrent model is not able to predict the next state of the environment, its recurrent state still contains some crucial information on the environment dynamic. >> (h is not random, just the weights generating it are random...)

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ctallec avatar ctallec commented on July 19, 2024

As @teytaud mentionned, we believe the reservoir computing effect might explain this result. Basically, even when the weights or the RNN are random, the recurrent state of the RNN still carries information about past events.

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wensdong avatar wensdong commented on July 19, 2024

"(h is not random, just the weights generating it are random...)".
h=Whhh+WhzZ+Wha*A+ bias and the Weight matrices is random but fixed, at every time step, h is generated with the same fixed Weight matrices. Therefore h contain historical information about Z and A at each time step.
For Car Racing game, I think there is no point to train RNN to predict next frame as current frame give you enough information about what the agent should do next. One extra frame won't give you much more advantage.
I believe you can try to train an controller without Z but only h. you can still get pretty good result.

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ctallec avatar ctallec commented on July 19, 2024

"For Car Racing game, I think there is no point to train RNN to predict next frame as current frame give you enough information about what the agent should do next. One extra frame won't give you much more advantage." With only one frame you don't have access to the notion of speed of the car, which is probably useful to get very good performances. The original paper experimented with this setup (where you only feed z to the controller) and found that results were significantly tamed down.

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wensdong avatar wensdong commented on July 19, 2024

Agree with you, I was referring human driving experience on that. you can ignore the quoted line.

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wensdong avatar wensdong commented on July 19, 2024

Well explained!

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