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ceedubs avatar ceedubs commented on July 17, 2024

Certain things (like show) are going to need an implementation somewhere. To me it seems to make sense to put the implementations on the data structure itself and then have the type class instance call through to it.

However, there's also the question of derived methods. At nescala @tpolecat, @non, some others (whose GitHub handles I don't know :( ), and I were discussing what options there might be to have derived methods available on data structures for free. It's always slightly annoyed me that in scalaz it's pretty ad hoc as to which derived type class methods are available on a given structure. I can't recall whether or not we came to a good solution. Maybe they remember?

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julien-truffaut avatar julien-truffaut commented on July 17, 2024

I also like defining the methods in the class because it gives a better documentation and no need of special import. however, what do we do for TC like Traverse or Fold which have a lot of derived methods?

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ceedubs avatar ceedubs commented on July 17, 2024

@julien-truffaut that's a good question. Hopefully some good suggestions will come out of this discussion!

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non avatar non commented on July 17, 2024

I agree with @ceedubs -- I think concrete types should provide all the concrete implementations there type classes need.

This can be a bit ugly but it has many benefits:

  1. Things for users are guaranteed to "just work" whenever possible.
  2. You can avoid repeatedly synthesizing type class instances.
  3. It makes the methods more discoverable via documentation / browsing.

Of these concerns I think (2) is the most important.

If we agree with this approach then it implies that at a minimum we should be adding === and =!= methods to our concrete types where applicable, so that they can directly do type-safe equality checking.

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stew avatar stew commented on July 17, 2024

@julien-truffaut seems like there in consensus here, do you think we need to do more with this issue?

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julien-truffaut avatar julien-truffaut commented on July 17, 2024

sure I think we all agree

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