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tumido avatar tumido commented on August 12, 2024 3

Just a note, creating such admin teams doesn't mean the org owners won't be admins anymore. So me, @HumairAK, @durandom, @goern are always admins by definition since we are org owners, no matter if we are part of any admin team or not.

Let's have an admin team for me and @HumairAK and @4n4nd (Anand, you can be either a member of the admin team + an approver for everything or neither of those, I don't see a way for you to pick the second and not be listed in the first 🙂 ), so we can be called via @operate-first/team-name on urgent matters.

I'd say the rest of the teams and folks should have triage access + should be grouped into:

  • 1 general team for all core contributors
  • a team per topic/sig: ops, telemetry, support, documentation, build/cyborgs - this way we can "call for help" a team (via the @operate-first/team-name alias) and we don't have to list all the people.

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goern avatar goern commented on August 12, 2024 1

... lets have a look if prow can manage all that for us ;)

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HumairAK avatar HumairAK commented on August 12, 2024 1

Assuming folks are happy with this setup, closing for now. Feel free to re-open.

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goern avatar goern commented on August 12, 2024

SourceOps should stay as is, as it contains Sesheta and enables bots and tools to work on the source

We should have one group of humans that are able to push-force into all repos, this is handy to apply hotfixes (aka bypassing PR-review process).

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goern avatar goern commented on August 12, 2024

/sig devops
/sig cyborgs

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anishasthana avatar anishasthana commented on August 12, 2024

Split it into ops-admins and ops, perhaps? ops-admins would consist of @tumido , @4n4nd , and @HumairAK . Everyone else would be dumped into ops.

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4n4nd avatar 4n4nd commented on August 12, 2024

I think we should just keep @tumido and @HumairAK as admins, two admins for two different timezones.

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durandom avatar durandom commented on August 12, 2024

let's just add the teams and see how it goes and how they're used.

given that it's not only ops stuff, would admin make more sense? Are admin granted write access for all repos and approvers are not.

IIUC this issue is only about team communication and organization - not about approval and merge process

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goern avatar goern commented on August 12, 2024

"core contributors" would have admin/force-push access to all repos?

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tumido avatar tumido commented on August 12, 2024

"core contributors" would have admin/force-push access to all repos?

@goern if you mean the team I've hinted in my comment above, I meant a core contrib team for all the current operate first folks (since this is our current "core", and we'd like to expand it to external community). I don't think this team should have write access to repos though.

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HumairAK avatar HumairAK commented on August 12, 2024

IIUC this issue is only about team communication and organization - not about approval and merge process

We also need to consider who will have manual abilities to approve in the event prow fails to merge pr's (due to downtime/slow period/etc.)

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goern avatar goern commented on August 12, 2024

Humair, thats the reasone why we have a SourceOps team that is able to manually merge and force-push, I think Kubernetes calls this team 'on-call'

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HumairAK avatar HumairAK commented on August 12, 2024

Humair, thats the reasone why we have a SourceOps team that is able to manually merge and force-push, I think Kubernetes calls this team 'on-call'

Ah I see, I think I've just delegated this role to the admin team for now.

a team per topic/sig: ops, telemetry, support, documentation, build/cyborgs - this way we can "call for help" a team (via the @operate-first/team-name alias) and we don't have to list all the people.

I feel like this is overkill for our team size, but then again creating teams cost nothing. Who goes where?

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HumairAK avatar HumairAK commented on August 12, 2024

This is what I've created thus far:

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I distributed permissions as follows:

  • admins have admin on all repos
  • contributors have triage on all repos
  • workshopers having admin access to operate-first/workshop-apps

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