Node.js Loaders Team Meeting 2023-10-24 about loaders HOT 5 CLOSED

Anything we want to discuss?

• Next steps after nodejs/node#50096: should we remove --experimental-default-type now? I don’t see the point of having it if we have ESM syntax detection?

• We were hoping to clean up a bunch of things as part of the switch to --default-type=module by default, namely cutting out some “include the CommonJS loader here to allow for monkey patching” hacks that have had TODOs to deprecate for years. If detection becomes the new way forward, how will we do this cleanup? Perhaps we set the module customization hooks stable by December hopefully, and just do the cleanup as a semver-major to ship in 22.0.0?

• I think the next big goal for regular modules code would be to finally remove the CommonJS loader. That means getting all the tests to pass if shouldUseESMLoader always returns true (as in, we use the ESM loader for all entry points). Currently I get 154 failures if you do this; the bulk of these are async_hooks tests that fail because of async resources created by the ESM loader as part of startup. See nodejs/node#44323.

• #168

• nodejs/node#49704

• nodejs/node#50042
  nodejs/node#50044

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I feel like there are some open questions for initialize's return and external formats. Perhaps we quickly discuss those?

I the we're in agreement for the rest—they're just a matter of doing it.

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Sure. @ggoodman, are you available to join this meeting?

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Sure, I'll try to make it.

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#169

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