Monero Community Workgroup Meeting: Saturday 25th May 15:00UTC about meta HOT 1 CLOSED

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< plowsof > This would be FUD from monero contributors in the community channel, it had push back ofcourse for not actually proving anything and at one point silverpill stated he wouldnt waste his time by contacting basicswapdex, instead, going directly to kycnot me to discuss the 10/10 rating which pluja modified, they can speak on this matter publicly if

< plowsof > they wish to.

< plowsof > .bbl

< ofrnxmr > "he wouldnt waste time contacting basicswapdex. Instead went straight to kycnot.me" << sounds like it was done in food faith /s

< plowsof > Is this the coordinator smearing fud before a meeting? Or raising something after we finally have a 'this proposal is real' from basicswapdex because those people will continue bringing it up .. or wait until the meeting themselves

< plowsof > .bbl

< ofrnxmr > The proposal has been real since day 1.

< ofrnxmr > ttyl

< s​yntheticbird:monero.social > ofrnxmr, I would like to ask a question that have not been asked yet afaik. Since the start of your CCS proposals, there has been a wave of incoming ofrn's fan that wished to express their support to you. Not only publicly and sometimes agressively/spreading FUD, but in DMs also (I've received 2), claiming weird "revolutionary" intent.

< s​yntheticbird:monero.social > Do you know about these accounts and do you support their intents (more particularly on the FUD part) ?

< s​yntheticbird:monero.social > I hope your answer will help me revise my opinion about you in a positive manner, I'm already happy to see that the BSX team has been willing to work with you.

< s​yntheticbird:monero.social > Idk how ping work on IRC so if anyone can ping ofrn that would be appreciated

< a​js:matrix.org >_ o​frnxmr: it is my understanding Monero meta is for general matters not assigned to any particular individual to manage

< a​js:matrix.org >_ IMO, Monero community meetings would be an appropriate forum to discuss, merge, close issues/PR

< a​js:matrix.org >_ There are issues open since 2018

< 3​21bob321:monero.social > Midi was going to run a seperate meeting for meta issuez

< 3​21bob321:monero.social > https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/1d029rj/some_subhuman_scum_are_currently_trying_to/

< 3​21bob321:monero.social > Rb this?

< ofrnxmr > The fans and the banofrns are mostly all bad actors / the same person

< ofrnxmr > Monerobull can confirm the same

< ofrnxmr > @Synthethic

< ofrnxmr > ajs - most of the issues can be dealt with without meetings by simple doing a followup / checking the status

< ofrnxmr > Selsta, plowsof and myself cleaned up much of meta up until i was banned. I took it upon myself to do the work, because nobody needs to waste time at meetings to check is a T was crossed or if an plan was dead. Some meta issues are more like discussions than they are resolved, some are ideas that have long been implemented or are no longer valid

< ofrnxmr > s/resolved/resolvable

< selsta > if there are issues that can be closed send them to me

< ofrnxmr > @Synthetic - some of those "ofrnfans" (the ones with real handles and real social accounts) arent fans. They are people who ive helped or worked with for months or years. Some of them arent active speakers, but long time lurkers - folks who have reached out in -support or another room for help at some point or another. But yes. Some of them are

< ofrnxmr > clearly the same person(s) that are behind the banofrn and Bitcoinist accounts. and yes, the fake supporters dm me too.

< r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu > I did everything! I am the savior of Monero! Now give me 2k XMR for install scripts. Kthxbai.

< r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu > Don't disapprove of me or I'll curse you!

< ofrnxmr > hey buddy - ive been working with them for months. Dishonestly will get you nowhere. I really have nothing to say to someone like you.

< ofrnxmr > @Synthetic https://x.com/monerobull/status/1786338397604258233

< r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu > What dishonesty? Everyone's fed up with you being a total turd everywhere, to everyone.

< ofrnxmr > Speak for yourself

< ofrnxmr > #offtopic

< r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu > Hilarious.

< r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu > The funniest times are when he tries to keep channels "on topic".

< ofrnxmr > (btw, why don't you tell the world who wrote the speech that got you unbanned) calling me a turd? what were you banned for again? not responding to you anymore. Best of luck with your turncoat nonsense. kthxbye.

< r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu > 😂

< r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu > Where is the "I really have nothing to say to someone like you."? Why you keep talking to me bby?

< ofrnxmr > I havent been active here for months. Its funny how you try to drag me into your mudwrestling then beg me in dm's to be nice to you. I've grown tired of babysitting you. ✌️

< r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu > And he keeps doing it!

< ofrnxmr > Do us all a favor, and slide into my dm's or stfu

< ofrnxmr > write a diary or smthn

< r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu > Do as you say and stfu, don't interact with someone like me!

< 3​21bob321:monero.social > Ladies people wait for monerokon boxing fight

< 3​21bob321:monero.social > Bedtime. ^ doesnt make sense

< a​xmasta:matrix.org > https://i.imgur.com/hHW81be.gif

< s​ilverpill:poa.st > It should be removed completely, there is no reason to use a custom protocol. It's a waste of time and money.

< s​ilverpill:poa.st > Or better: direct resources to noot's ETH-XMR swaps and Unstoppable Swap. These tools were built by competent people, but neglected by the community. Why not support them?

< a​xmasta:matrix.org > Serai uses its own blockchain for the same legitimate reason

< ofrnxmr > What?

< ofrnxmr > Silver - smsg is the orderbook and allows bidirectional atomic swaps

< a​xmasta:matrix.org > Distributed, trustless, order execution consensus

< a​xmasta:matrix.org > Bad? Perhaps

< a​xmasta:matrix.org > Without reason? Nah

< ofrnxmr > silver - "Integrations of atomic protocals such as those from BCH and ETH", its literally listed as a part of the milestone

< ofrnxmr > None of these protocols on their own CAN support bidirectional atomic swaps because monero doesnt support it. You need a decentralized orderbook aka smsg or similar

< ofrnxmr > Smsg is inspired by bitmessage - what monero uses for multisig

< ofrnxmr > smsg could have come to monero to fix the multisig ux. Smsg is loosely tied to particl. This seems to be your main issue? That tou dont like the particl project.. but youre not showing that you know anything about smsg (or bitmessage)

< ofrnxmr > unstoppableswaps is LITERALLY just a poor frontend for comit network swaps. Basicswap takes what unstoppable did, adds a decentralized orderbook, and extends use from xmr <> btc to also include ltc (doge (soon), particl, dash and more] + bidirectional swaps

< ofrnxmr > Eth swaps are limited to xmr <> eth. Unstoppable is xmr <> btc. Basicswapdex combines multiple swap protocols AND makes them bidirectional. Maybe you should try it for yourself. Many others have, such as seth and untraceable

< ofrnxmr > "no reason" << except for bidirectional swaps, adaptorsig (scriptless scripts) swaps, enabling coins not named bitcoin, a decentralized orderbook, etc etc. even xmr <> doge works because the swap protocol doesnt have to be agnostic.

< ofrnxmr > There's even a bounty for someone to do xmr <> ltc --- basicswap has had that completed for (over?) a year

< ofrnxmr > "Bridge orderbooks from other services such as Samourai" (unstoppable, etc) << theres also this. Basicswap allows "private" orderbooks and theres a potential that we can enable interacting with samourai and unstoppableswaps (extremely thin, unidirectional, almost obsolete) offers

< r​4v3r23:monero.social > samourai is also just a frontend for comit

< ofrnxmr > Yep. Which makes adding it not impossible. Basicswap support comit style swaps as well as adaptorsigs

< r​4v3r23:monero.social > theres no point in samoruai swaps now that their centralized coinjoin is down

< p​lowsof:matrix.org > Meeting time #1008

< plowsof > echo Meeting time #1008 , greetings

< plowsof > hi

< c​t:xmr.mx > hello 👋

< m​ichael:monero.social > Hello.

< c​hch3003:monero.social > Hello! (I am Janaka)

< p​lowsof:matrix.org > matrix dot org clients, a reminder that messages will be delayed and you should follow on monerologs.net cc CryptoGuard

< r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu > O shit waddup.

< m​onero-guides:matrix.org > Yo

< plowsof > whats happened since the last meeting? we can jump into the ccs merge list ideas / meta issues asap but there was a blog post for monerokon @ https://www.getmonero.org/blog/ ... some fund raisers to attend it even

< p​lowsof:matrix.org > #haveno is picking up some steam viathe #haveno-reto team (which are communicating on simpleX iirc) ...

< p​lowsof:matrix.org > we've just this moment had a ccs idea to resurrect the monero signer with some pretty fast promises of completion from vthor, can talk about that later

< vthor > Thank you plowsof :)

< plowsof > News: Monero Observer - Revuo Monero - The Monero Standard - Monero Moon

< j​0j0xmr:monero.social > Hello.

< plowsof > i guess the monero standard will cease to exist soon recanmann , or will you continue on another platform?

< r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu > Should probably take The Monero Standard off the list moving forward. LM is winding down.

< r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu > Great minds think alike.

< r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu > God forbid I ever think like a Briton though...

< plowsof > good idea.

< r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu > 😂😂

< plowsof > i also shared an estimate of ccs earnings for alot of contributors @ https://text.is/X9910

< k​arano:poddery.com > hello , is the meeting on !

< plowsof > so far the tesla proposal is the highest earner vroom vroom

< r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu > I see Tuman in the list, did he get paid in the end?

< plowsof > yes, that usd value is the price 'on payout day'

< plowsof > we can jump into the ccs merges unless theres some big news im overlooking

< plowsof > kayaba going full steam ahead with his FCMP++ work.. sneedlewoods recently became a seraphis dev with a merged PR...

< plowsof > https://ccs.getmonero.org/funding-required/ v1do was merged to funding ... rottenwheel put up a fundraiser for monerokon travel also https://kuno.anne.media/fundraiser/7fw9/

< n​ihilist:m.datura.network > good stuff man

< plowsof > how can i forget nihilists blog

< plowsof > https://blog.nihilism.network/ -> worth a look.. some haveno tutorials included

< n​ihilist:m.datura.network > let me know if you want any tech showcased on my blog btw, haveno dex was the latest addition lately

< plowsof > ive seen a few users recommending / commending you work, thank you

< n​ihilist:m.datura.network > np :)

< d​iego:cypherstack.com > hi sorry I'm late

< plowsof > hello

< plowsof > any updates you wish to share diego? it appears we're closing the seraphis general paper review for now

< plowsof > and skipping over Droplet

< plowsof > https://ccs.getmonero.org/ideas/

< j​0j0xmr:monero.social > Wasn't Droplet voted to close?

< plowsof > yes

< d​iego:cypherstack.com > sad. Since I'm pretty sure it can be done concurrently with current work.

< plowsof > https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/441#note_24681

< plowsof > a. Seraphis General Paper Review

< plowsof > ok noted, can pass it back to the MRL again if thats the case

< plowsof > kayabanerve sees it as not required for fcmp++

< d​iego:cypherstack.com > correct, but since fcmp++ can move into seraphis down the road, this work is still valuable

< plowsof > so not closing then :) pushing it back to MRL

< plowsof > the next proposal is related to your previous works, getmonero redesign. but this porposal is also a new back-end

< plowsof > c. New Monero Website

< plowsof > has alot of updoots. personally im not for the proposal as-is and left a comment today https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/450#note_24686

< c​hch3003:monero.social > I agreed to focus on the first milestone, should I update the proposal?

< plowsof > here is the functional proof of concept https://github.com/Janaka-Steph/monero-website

< j​0j0xmr:monero.social > I think the website design looks great, haven't dug into the proposal itself.

< j​0j0xmr:monero.social > But I agree that the website needs an update.

< r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu > Sir. chch3003

< m​onero-guides:matrix.org > I think most up votes come from those who really want to see a redesign. Regardless of technicalities

< c​hch3003:monero.social > I'd like to make a call that i'm still looking for a web designer

< plowsof > after talking to the back end admin about it, and the current state of affairs, id say yeah, update the proposal

< c​hch3003:monero.social > rottenwheel: yes?

< d​iego:cypherstack.com > Oh hey I'm a web designer.

< plowsof > i agree monero-guides

< c​hch3003:monero.social > plowsof: ok

< d​iego:cypherstack.com > That said, does core want this website remade? It's under their purview.

< plowsof > we have found a web designer

< r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu > chch3003 you can ping gnuteardrops from monero.graphics, vostoemisio, there's a third one I can link you to if needed.

< plowsof > core feels we're not ready for a new back end / huge change , thats why i suggest removing any promises of "transition" in the proposal, and stick to milestone 1,,, a highly functional english site with furhter work on the table

< c​hch3003:monero.social > Ok I can contact them, also Diego Salazar we can talk

< d​iego:cypherstack.com > Sounds good.

< m​onero-guides:matrix.org > An interesting point you make about core. My gripe with the site as it is; no where can I easily be found that it is the website hosted by core. Many could read that website like monero does indeed have a CEO

< m​onero-guides:matrix.org > An interesting point you make about core. My gripe with the site as it is; no where can it easily be found that it is the website hosted by core. Many could read that website like monero does indeed have a CEO

< plowsof > monero dot com is officially the unofficial website

< plowsof > i think we can leave this proposal here, with new updates expected shortly

< plowsof > noted monero-guides, thank you

< plowsof > d. How to mine Monero guide

< c​hch3003:monero.social > Maybe it is better to have an unofficial website, with less constraints, hosted in a regular hosting provider. I feel this has not been discussed enough

< m​onero-guides:matrix.org > Hi all,

< m​onero-guides:matrix.org > After last meeting we've considered a change to the number of videos and content and want to get your opinions.

< m​onero-guides:matrix.org > Video 1:intro to mining

< m​onero-guides:matrix.org > Video 2: mining economics

< m​onero-guides:matrix.org > Video 3: setting up your rig

< plowsof > would be even better to have contributors for existing site chch3003 :D

< m​onero-guides:matrix.org > The main change is splitting up the first video into two separate parts and then taking some of what was planned for video 2 and adding it to mining economics video.

< m​onero-guides:matrix.org > This change should make things more succinct for the viewers and would result in 3 shorter videos

< plowsof > that would be in response to Ruckniums feedback reg length

< plowsof > seems a sane change in response to this yes

< m​onero-guides:matrix.org > For the most part yes. We replied in more detail on the proposal, would be glad for some more feedback and recommendations

< plowsof > for visibility, i assume this comment in particular https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/451#note_24575

< r​ucknium:monero.social > moneroguides's response to feedback is satisfactory to me :)

< m​onero-guides:matrix.org > Correct

< plowsof > seems like this change to the proposal will be welcomed

< m​onero-guides:matrix.org > In which case, we'll. Move onto editing the scripts to reflect this and amend the proposal

< k​ayabanerve:matrix.org > FCMP++ can move into the Seraphis codebase, there's little chance of moving to the protocol at this current flow.

< plowsof > thanks, we can try to get people excited about these videos and show more support there after, its been a while since monero guides last series

< plowsof > skipping the i2p/sam proposal, which is written as a bounty as-is.. unless a dev wants to come forward and justify their rates to complete it themselves

< plowsof > g. hinto-janai full-time work on Cuprate (3 months)

< plowsof > some said auto merge last meeting

< m​onero-guides:matrix.org > Sounds good

< c​t:xmr.mx > are there reasons why not to merge it?

< c​t:xmr.mx > or why to delay it?

< plowsof > more documentation was added to the proposal (per this comment) https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/456#note_24642

< plowsof > seems final now

< plowsof > (2~ weeks old on the merge list, shock horror its not merged)

< c​t:xmr.mx > not shocked plowsof, just curious :)

< plowsof > would be easier if boog900 could submit at the same time

< a​xmasta:matrix.org > FYI those replying on matrix

< plowsof > looks like it has support for merge after the 2nd meeting, we can move on

< plowsof > h. ofrnxmr feat. BasicSwapDEX - take over the world pt 2

< plowsof > CryptoGuard / basicswap confirmed their involvement with this proposal in a comment from yesterday https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/457#note_24657

< 0​xfffc:monero.social > +1

< 0​xfffc:monero.social > ofrnxmr feat. BasicSwapDEX - take over the world pt 2

< plowsof > would luigis previous comment apply to the current proposal https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/444#note_24383

< plowsof > this proposal has milestones / objectives now

< c​t:xmr.mx > Yes, milestones with todo lists for each

< d​iego:cypherstack.com > Looks much better with the milestones

< nioCat > and the issue with upfront payment and length of time?

< nioCat > "Specifically, the length of time and (especially) upfront payment/lack of milestones are contrary to what the CCS has strived to be (with plenty of "results may vary" and exceptions, granted)."

< p​lowsof:matrix.org > reminder for matrix dot org accounts to follow the meeting on monerologs.net (you can reply here, but read responses on the logs site)

< 0​xfffc:monero.social > But this one does have specific / objective milestones

< ofrnxmr > Rome wasn't built in a day, and neither is a new frontend or improved backend. (Look at

< ofrnxmr > look at how long it took to do haveno backend (much longer than the 4-6 month projection)

< nioCat > niether was monero or cuprate yet proposals are 3 months at a time

< nioCat > this is > $300k we are talking about

< r​brunner7:monero.social > Just saying that even devs in very important roles for the Monero project and with many PRs under their belt don't usually get pre-payment. These two devs are new to us, and ofrnxmr is also new to us in the role of a project manager.

< r​brunner7:monero.social > Maybe do something like an "exponential approach"? First sprint is a month only, to see the project gets off the ground, with post-payment. If that goes well, second sprint is again a month, but this time with pre-payment. If that also goes well, make the next sprint 3 months. See what I mean?

< ofrnxmr > the project is live already, rbrunner

< r​brunner7:monero.social > Not for us, and not for the CCS.

< ofrnxmr > It is live. You can use it today

< r​brunner7:monero.social > This CCS hasn't even started.

< r​brunner7:monero.social > It's not about that BasicSwapDEX, it's about this CCS, right?

< ofrnxmr > im not understanding the line youre drawing here.

< r​brunner7:monero.social > That's why I bolded to us.

< ofrnxmr > Monero community members run the software and are making swaps on mainnet already

< r​brunner7:monero.social > These two Particls devs are complete strangers to me. I feel it's prudent to treat them as newly joining people, only that.

< ofrnxmr > Theyve been around for 10+years

< c​t:xmr.mx > Ignoring the payment schedule, are there other concerns?

< j​0j0xmr:monero.social > 100%

< plowsof > the particle token thingy people bring up?

< j​0j0xmr:monero.social > Luigi mentioned laying ground rules for upfront payments, new contributors were a hard "no"

< ofrnxmr > particl is a blockchain and theyve been presenting at monerokon for the past 2 yrs

< r​brunner7:monero.social > Yes. I ask myself whether those devs can work those hours. Question of work-life balance, or balance with "official" jobs that they may have. Do you know more regarding this, ofrnxmr?

< plowsof > true

< ofrnxmr > yes, they can and will work full time on this

< c​t:xmr.mx > The way I understood it is that ofrn will be paying out incrementally as work completes?

< r​brunner7:monero.social > Good to hear

< ofrnxmr > Correct @ct

< d​iego:cypherstack.com > I'm generally not a fan of prepayment either. But since the community required me to take aprepayment to save on buffer cost I'm no longer qualified to speak on it. :P

< j​0j0xmr:monero.social > That should be handled by the CSS. That's why it exists

< ofrnxmr > Multiparty ccs are always an issue. I am thr proposer

< j​0j0xmr:monero.social > That should be handled by the CCS. That's why it exists

< plowsof > forced upfront payment against the proposals will

< r​4v3r23:monero.social > payment rape

< ofrnxmr > And i am taking responsibility

< j​0j0xmr:monero.social > Its not your responsibility to take. It belongs to the CCS

< j​0j0xmr:monero.social > Once the payment is made there is 0 oversight

< ofrnxmr > Its not plowsof's job to check in with 3-5 devs and pay them out 1 by 1. @J0J0 youre wronf

< c​t:xmr.mx > ccs has losts funds before and ccs has not paid out in time before. If the BSX devs have been working with ofrn before, and trust him more, I wouldn't balme them for that

< j​0j0xmr:monero.social > Yes, it is

< d​iego:cypherstack.com > What if up front was cut in half? Less risk.

< j​0j0xmr:monero.social > He's responsible for coordinating CCS

< ofrnxmr > yeah, hes not responsible fkr whether diego pays sarang, or whether haveno oays frontend, or whether anonero pays devs

< r​brunner7:monero.social > I would not vote for a hard "no" on prepayment - but only after the project has taken flight

< m​ichael:monero.social > The meeting is overtime, so I will say dankon and have a good further chat. I need to go.

< plowsof > just for visibility, luigi can look at merges monday(tm) , and huge thanks to everyone leaving feedback / food for thought so far

< ofrnxmr > Thr project has taken flight, and then was grounded because were poor

< plowsof > thanks michael

< r​brunner7:monero.social > Again, not for us. I will continue to repeat that.

< ofrnxmr > You can look at the commits from February to see some of the enhanced schedule we were working on

< plowsof > all ccs proposers must wear a mood ring, and send me an image of it daily

< r​brunner7:monero.social > Lol

< ofrnxmr > It was for us. I didnt work with bsx for fun.

< vthor > :D what the hell is a mood ring?

< plowsof > a joke (they change colour on temp but people attribute it to emotions and such)

< d​iego:cypherstack.com > Possible to do one month worth of work and then payment enough for three months or something like that?

< vthor > Can it emit focused energy?

< plowsof > now , i suspect ofrnxmr's discussion will continue, but i wwant to share vthors proposal of taking over monero SeedSigner

< d​iego:cypherstack.com > This way there's no prepayment, there's proof of work in a way the CCS can verify, and then some "up front" for future months. Splits the difference.

< r​brunner7:monero.social > Diego Salazar: I meant exactly something like that with an "exponential approach"

< j​0j0xmr:monero.social > plowsof: There clearly needs to be a framework for prepayments. Its started to get messy.

< c​t:xmr.mx > it's not uncommon that people show up with what they've done so far, and ask the CCS for funding to persue further work in depth

< ofrnxmr > +1 ct

< plowsof > k. Monero Signer Resurrection: Reviving and Enhancing the Monero Signing Project if anyone has time here to check it out and begin leaving feedback when convenient :)

< c​t:xmr.mx > the ofrn wallet will have a public view key, right?

< r​brunner7:monero.social > Be flexible. Compromise. All parties.

< vthor > Thank you for bringing it up plowsof! :)

< plowsof > could also be done via RINO

< j​0j0xmr:monero.social > MoneroSigner dev quit?

< c​t:xmr.mx > plowsof what the status on the current seed signer? did you get any updates from the proposer?

< plowsof > no, not quit, this is an external proposal, aimed at 'taking over' the 'slow' dev currently working on it

< plowsof > no updates from the proposer

< vthor > is he still working on it? I went through all the repositories and after funding, there was no more changes.

< j​0j0xmr:monero.social > Prev dev mentioned adding Polyseed support & using UR to be compatible with Feather & Anonero, I don't see that mentioned anywhere here.

< plowsof > vthor seems confident they can complete it , do we have any evidence to lean on?

< plowsof > or are you in the process of building this

< c​t:xmr.mx > vthor: Can you add the funding amount and payout per milestone to the description? Right now it's kinda invisible on gitlab

< vthor > j0j0 didn't see that, was that in the comments. I'm not aware what Polysed is and what UR, but I will look into it.

< plowsof > j0j0xmr those 2 things where not a part of the original proposal, i assume that would be extra time / milestones? but for me those would be essential really

< r​4v3r23:monero.social > https://twitter.com/MoneroSigner/status/1728645692917203347?s=19

< r​4v3r23:monero.social > there

< vthor > ct: yes I can. But short info here 1st milestone 5.38 xmr, second: 5 xmr, third: 35xmr and last 10xmr

< j​0j0xmr:monero.social > UR is the QR standard used in Feather and Anonero, and it would replace the custom QR that was originally planned.

< c​t:xmr.mx > thank you :)

< j​0j0xmr:monero.social > Thanks, here it is

< plowsof > i have skipped k. Create and manage a peer-to-peer trading room on Matrix for people wanting to buy and sell Monero with no KYC

< j​0j0xmr:monero.social > Polyseed is Monero's new seed scheme, and UR is the animated QR encoding already used in a couple of projects.

< plowsof > and the other vague proposal to redesign the ccs .. governance something

< plowsof > i assume create / manage peer to peer will be closed after the initial feedback

< c​t:xmr.mx > they are gonna take your job plowsof :O

< plowsof > skipped for job security*

< c​t:xmr.mx > :D

< n​ihilist:m.datura.network > btw, this fits into the haveno DEX onramp, as peers need monero to start trading there

< n​ihilist:m.datura.network > btw, this fits into the haveno DEX onramp, as peers need monero to start trading there (for the security deposit system)

< ofrnxmr > P2p trading mod for 800xmr is an easy close

< ofrnxmr > Plowsof should get 800xmr for moderating c

< plowsof > now, we're over as usual sadly, once again thanks for everyones sharing feedback, vital. ajs_ some of the meta issues depend on the same people who we've asked / waiting on to fix weblate... to give us a ccs onion url.... so delays are to be expected, i can try to clear some others though

< vthor > So, plowsof, I have no need to create something new if there is somethng already in use, what I read out of your comments, so I would switch of course to the already used format from Feather and Anonero

< plowsof > 80.8135 would be enough

< c​t:xmr.mx > The proposer explained in this room that his right rates are because of the increased risk - which makes me wonder: could it have legal consequences if the CCS funds work that is legally risky? Because in the current landscape I wouldn't be surprised it it makes us "complicit" in some way

< plowsof > 80.08135

< ofrnxmr > ccs onion is a no fly zone for now. Maybe for ccs.getmonero, but repo.getmonero doesnt work as easily (relative links on gitlav)

< ofrnxmr > Need to kill cloudflare on repo tho, so people can ssh in over tor..

< plowsof > "plowsof gets 45 eur... some devs get 65$ .. theres some risk.. fuck it.. ill ask for 65 too" was awesome reasoning

< plowsof > 40 eur*

< ofrnxmr > plowsof rrslly gets 22.5

< plowsof > https://text.is/X9910/raw

< ofrnxmr > Cuz he only collects every 6 months lol

< plowsof > plowsof 20kusd 2023, ballin

< plowsof > vtnerd needs to start moderating matrix

< plowsof > $$$

< c​t:xmr.mx > plowsof gets 69xmr independent of worked hours and exchange rate

< ofrnxmr > I hope pkowsof collects his milestones properly now

< c​t:xmr.mx > +1

< plowsof > will collect every 12 months after adding meta issues

< vthor > ct: could you give me a hint, where I should put the milestone payout values? In the description of the MR? Or simply inside the .md?

< plowsof > alright thank you for the kinds words, if not already we can end it here ~ continue please , thanks for attending

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