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I added a Zenodo Identifier for our description to the wikidata page.
Does this look alright?
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While adding our Identifiers to the individual Wikidata entries for the Johnson solids, I have noticed an inconsistency.
J1 is a square pyramid, and as a Johnson solid, it has constant edge lengths. In the context of Johnson solids, this last statement is usually omitted.
Wikidata has two competing entries:
- https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1075704 A square pyramid without further constraints, so the edge length is not necessarily constant, however Norman Johnson is stated as the "discoverer" of this object.
- https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q17370383 A square pyramid with equilateral triangle sides. This has very little data to it, much of which has been added by me, but at the moment classified as a Johnson solid.
Clearly the second one is a Johnson solid and the first one is not necessarily. However the pentagonal pyramid https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1154713 is also classified as a Jonson without specifying the constant edge length (there are more such examples), so using the second entry is inconsistent with the other examples.
I would like to state that the first square pyramid is a Johnson solid under the condition that its edge lengths are constant, but I can't find out whether this is possible in Wikidata (if so this could also be done for the other examples). I would also like to remove Norman Johnson as its discoverer (possibly also for some other Johnson solids, because pyramids have been known for much longer).
If this is not possible I am unsure how to proceed. Do I make the second entry a subclass of the first and repeat this process for similar Johnson solids?
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@lkastner @zkgeiselmann It took me a bit to get into the matter, but now I think I can respond to your points:
While adding our Identifiers to the individual Wikidata entries for the Johnson solids, I have noticed an inconsistency. J1 is a square pyramid, and as a Johnson solid, it has constant edge lengths. In the context of Johnson solids, this last statement is usually omitted.
Wikidata has two competing entries:
1. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1075704 A square pyramid without further constraints, so the edge length is not necessarily constant, however Norman Johnson is stated as the "discoverer" of this object. 2. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q17370383 A square pyramid with equilateral triangle sides. This has very little data to it, much of which has been added by me, but at the moment classified as a Johnson solid.
Clearly the second one is a Johnson solid and the first one is not necessarily.
Indeed.
However the pentagonal pyramid https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1154713 is also classified as a Jonson without specifying the constant edge length (there are more such examples), so using the second entry is inconsistent with the other examples.
I would like to state that the first square pyramid is a Johnson solid under the condition that its edge lengths are constant, but I can't find out whether this is possible in Wikidata (if so this could also be done for the other examples).
I don't think this is currently possible that way, but I have started a discussion to get some input from others.
I would also like to remove Norman Johnson as its discoverer
(possibly also for some other Johnson solids, because pyramids have been known for much longer).
Yes, feel free to go ahead and adjust as necessary.
If this is not possible I am unsure how to proceed. Do I make the second entry a subclass of the first
Yes.
and repeat this process for similar Johnson solids?
Yes. I think this would be the way to go for now. If the discussion brings up another option, we can reconsider.
If you keep working on this, maybe this query — or variants of it — can be helpful to keep an overview.
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