举报OmnipotentEntity在discord群任意踢人 about katago HOT 22 CLOSED

我很气愤，OmnipotentEntity针对某种行为采取极端的封号行为，而不是针对行为。首先katago作者light说了在一个群发信息，不要多个群，我就换到help群发信息，OmnipotentEntity一刀切并没有和katago作者沟通好，就肆意妄为的踢人。首先另一个号注册发了一条信息，怎么就得罪人了。淘宝那么大的普通，封了号都可以注册另一个号进去。踢人是为了告诉别人不该怎么做，但是我被踢，都不知道原因在哪。

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管理员不是只有OmnipotentEntity他一个，一刀切的方式很1省力，但是与你的责任相违背，管理员是干嘛。你有本事昨天注册小号的时候我就问了一条信息，你就把我禁言了，有本事别删啊，**昨天晚上六七点的时候，问了作者一个问题，如果修改棋盘的话，在哪个python文件中修改，你二话不说把我踢了，问题也删了，你为什么删问题呢？因为你知道理亏，发一个问题又是违反了什么行为呢？

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Hi, I'm here too.

You were banned because you were warned to keep your questions to a single channel multiple times. You were also asked to slow down and try to resolve issues on your own through your own efforts.

That ban occurred beginning of February. But at some point you came back, which is against TOS of Discord under ban evasion. I tolerated this behavior for a while, but you hadn't really modified your behavior, and I received multiple complaints from other regular users because you were making the discord difficult to enjoy.

You were most recently banned 3 separate times in the last 24 hours. Once for the reasons above, and twice for evading your ban.

Moreover, this issue is off-topic from KataGo development.

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你也知道要证明下自己的清白？你没有和katago作者事先沟通，就轻易替我，我说了我不是故意的，后面只在help频道发信息，有本事你把我从这里踢了

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你知道一刀切是什么意思吗？就是图省事，直接踢了，简单了事

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你这个管理员当的很称职，针对某个人而不是某个行为。淘宝那么大的普通，他也只是封号，换了号注册可以继续上，管理员就你一个啊

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The following was intended to be DMed to you, and drafted by lightvector prior to my banning you from the discord. Because you opened this communication channel, I am sending it to you.

I attempted to PM him but it doesn't appear that I can do so any more due to his settings, so I'll just stick here what I had drafted in case it's useful in the future.

If you're willing, I'd like to offer a friendly suggestion that might be easier to understand about why other people may be frustrated with your questions:
It may be that they seem to suggest a lack of personal effort. Even if it was not your intention, it sounds sometimes like you are expecting people to do work to provide you answers where you are not doing work yourself.

Here is an example. You asked a question much earlier and your entire message was the following and a screenshot:

Error installing katago sl

A better method here would be to try to understand the error and solve it yourself first, and demonstrate your effort in the way you ask your question. For example, you could attempt to explain the error using your own words, showing that you are trying to understand it, such as:

Error installing katago sl. The message says there is an error from "import wx" on line 1, and it says "ModuleNotFoundError: No module named wx". I think this means it can't find the "wx" module.

And then you would further demonstrate that you've already tried your best to solve the problem:

I tried googling/searching online for "ModuleNotFoundError: No module named wx" and I found answer A,B to this question, but I don't understand the answers because of reason C. Even if I ran D, I still got another error E.

And so on. In this case, if you really did search online for the error before asking the question, you would surely have found multiple webpages online indicating to you that you needed to install wxPython, which was the same answer that someone told you and actually you would have solved it. And then you would not need to ask the question at all!

If you do this for every problem you come across - use more personal effort to solve it yourself, and only ask if you can't solve it after many tries, and demonstrate your effort in your question, you will probably get a much more welcoming response in software-developer-oriented communities.

People in this kind of community culture also really appreciate someone who will put in effort contribute to the community! For example, if you learned how to do some especially and tricky that other people may not know, you could post a tutorial up in an appropriate channel to help other people do the same thing. Or you could share your own analysis of game positions and why a mistake is happening, instead of only posting questions about it. You could run test matches of 1000 games each comparing the strength of different bots so that other people can learn from the results, instead of just asking which one is stronger. People in such communities tend be more friendly if you are someone who is willing to also do the work and to contribute interesting things and help other people, equally as much as you are being helped yourself.

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你第一次封我号，我没意见，你确实提醒过我。但是第二次你封我就算了，昨天第三次封我是什么意思？作为管理员，能否有一点大局观。何况我昨天手机上新注册的一个号，看见katgao作者发的信息，就紧接着问，你就想当然把我封了，认为我是逃避禁言，你不觉得你太鲁莽了吗？你也知道，我不可能那么快注册第二个号，只是昨天正好看到了

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我以后不会再触犯多个频道发信息的规定了，但是我注册号后，你不要再封我了好吗？你为了我一个人，牺牲这么多，意义何在，我只是想了解kaatgo的一些最新信息，对我有什么好处

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你踢我的目的是我故意违反规定即使，但是我下次注册后再进来，不会和以前一样乱发了就行了啊，干嘛非得赶尽杀绝，如果只是针对某个行为，而不是个人的话

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你这样让我认为你是为了整我，而不是防止某个行为，我又不傻，你踢我一个按钮就可以解决。我下次不敢了啊

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你也知道我要进discord很容易，随便注册一个号就可以进来，尤其是谷歌qq号，我谷歌号都十几个。双方各退一步不行吗，

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The following was intended to be DMed to you, and drafted by lightvector prior to my banning you from the discord. Because you opened this communication channel, I am sending it to you.

I attempted to PM him but it doesn't appear that I can do so any more due to his settings, so I'll just stick here what I had drafted in case it's useful in the future.

If you're willing, I'd like to offer a friendly suggestion that might be easier to understand about why other people may be frustrated with your questions:
It may be that they seem to suggest a lack of personal effort. Even if it was not your intention, it sounds sometimes like you are expecting people to do work to provide you answers where you are not doing work yourself.

Here is an example. You asked a question much earlier and your entire message was the following and a screenshot:

Error installing katago sl

A better method here would be to try to understand the error and solve it yourself first, and demonstrate your effort in the way you ask your question. For example, you could attempt to explain the error using your own words, showing that you are trying to understand it, such as:

Error installing katago sl. The message says there is an error from "import wx" on line 1, and it says "ModuleNotFoundError: No module named wx". I think this means it can't find the "wx" module.

And then you would further demonstrate that you've already tried your best to solve the problem:

I tried googling/searching online for "ModuleNotFoundError: No module named wx" and I found answer A,B to this question, but I don't understand the answers because of reason C. Even if I ran D, I still got another error E.

And so on. In this case, if you really did search online for the error before asking the question, you would surely have found multiple webpages online indicating to you that you needed to install wxPython, which was the same answer that someone told you and actually you would have solved it. And then you would not need to ask the question at all!

If you do this for every problem you come across - use more personal effort to solve it yourself, and only ask if you can't solve it after many tries, and demonstrate your effort in your question, you will probably get a much more welcoming response in software-developer-oriented communities.

People in this kind of community culture also really appreciate someone who will put in effort contribute to the community! For example, if you learned how to do some especially and tricky that other people may not know, you could post a tutorial up in an appropriate channel to help other people do the same thing. Or you could share your own analysis of game positions and why a mistake is happening, instead of only posting questions about it. You could run test matches of 1000 games each comparing the strength of different bots so that other people can learn from the results, instead of just asking which one is stronger. People in such communities tend be more friendly if you are someone who is willing to also do the work and to contribute interesting things and help other people, equally as much as you are being helped yourself.

作者发的比你的成熟多了，听上去舒服多了，这样说我可以接受。我知道作者是深明大义之人

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Do you have to do this? First of all, it's not right to speak Chinese here.

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Do you think you're doing the right thing? He removed you from the forum because you kept asking weird questions on the forum.

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@awsjgy - I empathize with you. It's also important to respect the rules and wishes of the owner of a server and not to try to unilaterally ignore or evade them, and to take responsibility for your own actions and choices. Please take some time to calm down - go have fun and do something else for a while. Go has been around for thousands of years and will still be here later.

Closing this thread.

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