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eyeonus avatar eyeonus commented on June 25, 2024

'trade.py run --fr="Liu Bajara/Silva Terminal" --cap=36 --ins=156182 --cr=4450263 --ly=12.65 --empty=14.3 --hops=6 --age=30 --loop -vvv'

2 routes total. Route 1 when lsp <= 3.96, route 2 else.
Route 1: With lsp=0.5:

Liu Bajara/Silva Terminal -> Liu Bajara/Silva Terminal (score: 68456.528457)
Start CR:  4,294,081
Hops    :          6
Jumps   :         10
Gain CR :    411,624
Gain/Hop:     68,604
Final CR:  4,705,705
  Load from Liu Bajara/Silva Terminal (462ls, BMk:N, Pad:L, Plt:N, Shp:Y, Out:Y, Ref:Y):
       36 x Textiles/Military Grade Fabrics           942cr vs    1,634cr, 4 hrs vs 3 days, total:     33,912cr
  Unload at Dalannovale/Siodmak Prospect (1.77Kls, BMk:N, Pad:M, Plt:N, Shp:N, Out:N, Ref:Y) => Gain 24,912cr (692cr/ton) => 4,475,175cr
  Load from Dalannovale/Siodmak Prospect (1.77Kls, BMk:N, Pad:M, Plt:N, Shp:N, Out:N, Ref:Y):
       36 x Metals/Gold                             8,725cr vs   11,104cr, 3 days vs 25 days, total:    314,100cr
  Unload at CD-27 5409/Shipton Terminal (52Kls, BMk:Y, Pad:M, Plt:N, Shp:N, Out:Y, Ref:Y) => Gain 85,644cr (2,379cr/ton) => 4,560,819cr
  Load from CD-27 5409/Shipton Terminal (52Kls, BMk:Y, Pad:M, Plt:N, Shp:N, Out:Y, Ref:Y):
       36 x Metals/Indium                           4,078cr vs    6,681cr, 25 days vs 15 hrs, total:    146,808cr
  Unload at BD-20 2665/Curie Port (567ls, BMk:N, Pad:L, Plt:N, Shp:Y, Out:Y, Ref:Y) => Gain 93,708cr (2,603cr/ton) => 4,654,527cr
  Load from BD-20 2665/Curie Port (567ls, BMk:N, Pad:L, Plt:N, Shp:Y, Out:Y, Ref:Y):
       36 x Textiles/Military Grade Fabrics           780cr vs    1,980cr, 15 hrs vs 22 days, total:     28,080cr
  Unload at Nyikamana/Daley Prospect (84Kls, BMk:N, Pad:M, Plt:N, Shp:N, Out:N, Ref:Y) => Gain 43,200cr (1,200cr/ton) => 4,697,727cr
  Load from Nyikamana/Daley Prospect (84Kls, BMk:N, Pad:M, Plt:N, Shp:N, Out:N, Ref:Y):
       36 x Metals/Gold                             8,741cr vs   11,104cr, 22 days vs 25 days, total:    314,676cr
  Unload at CD-27 5409/Shipton Terminal (52Kls, BMk:Y, Pad:M, Plt:N, Shp:N, Out:Y, Ref:Y) => Gain 85,068cr (2,363cr/ton) => 4,782,795cr
  Load from CD-27 5409/Shipton Terminal (52Kls, BMk:Y, Pad:M, Plt:N, Shp:N, Out:Y, Ref:Y):
       36 x Industrial Materials/Superconductors    5,352cr vs    7,549cr, 25 days vs 4 hrs, total:    192,672cr
  Unload at Liu Bajara/Silva Terminal (462ls, BMk:N, Pad:L, Plt:N, Shp:Y, Out:Y, Ref:Y) => Gain 79,092cr (2,197cr/ton) => 4,861,887cr
  ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Finish at Liu Bajara/Silva Terminal (462ls, BMk:N, Pad:L, Plt:N, Shp:Y, Out:Y, Ref:Y) gaining 411,624cr (1,905cr/ton) => est 4,861,887cr total

Route 2: With lsp=5:

Liu Bajara/Silva Terminal -> Liu Bajara/Silva Terminal (score: 67896.948402)
Start CR:  4,294,081
Hops    :          6
Jumps   :         12
Gain CR :    399,620
Gain/Hop:   66,603.3
Final CR:  4,693,701
  Load from Liu Bajara/Silva Terminal (462ls, BMk:N, Pad:L, Plt:N, Shp:Y, Out:Y, Ref:Y):
       36 x Chemicals/Explosives                          340cr vs      930cr, 4 hrs vs 5 days, total:     12,240cr
  Unload at Ardh/Nusslein-Volhard Platform (1.15Kls, BMk:N, Pad:M, Plt:N, Shp:N, Out:Y, Ref:Y) => Gain 21,240cr (590cr/ton) => 4,471,503cr
  Load from Ardh/Nusslein-Volhard Platform (1.15Kls, BMk:N, Pad:M, Plt:N, Shp:N, Out:Y, Ref:Y):
       21 x Metals/Palladium                           11,813cr vs   13,980cr, 5 days vs 5 days, total:    248,073cr
       15 x Metals/Gold                                 8,984cr vs   10,796cr, 5 days vs 5 days, total:    134,760cr
  Unload at Kivah/Sadi Carnot Ring (43ls, BMk:Y, Pad:L, Plt:N, Shp:Y, Out:Y, Ref:Y) => Gain 72,687cr (2,019.08cr/ton) => 4,544,190cr
  Load from Kivah/Sadi Carnot Ring (43ls, BMk:Y, Pad:L, Plt:N, Shp:Y, Out:Y, Ref:Y):
       36 x Medicines/Basic Medicines                     314cr vs    4,527cr, 5 days vs 22 hrs, total:     11,304cr
  Unload at Sosong/Chu Orbital (415ls, BMk:Y, Pad:M, Plt:N, Shp:N, Out:N, Ref:Y) => Gain 151,668cr (4,213cr/ton) => 4,695,858cr
  Load from Sosong/Chu Orbital (415ls, BMk:Y, Pad:M, Plt:N, Shp:N, Out:N, Ref:Y):
       19 x Metals/Gold                                 9,375cr vs   10,953cr, 22 hrs vs 4 days, total:    178,125cr
       17 x Industrial Materials/Insulating Membrane   10,085cr vs   11,664cr, 22 hrs vs 4 days, total:    171,445cr
  Unload at UBV 8670/Hurley Dock (195ls, BMk:N, Pad:L, Plt:N, Shp:Y, Out:Y, Ref:Y) => Gain 56,825cr (1,578.47cr/ton) => 4,752,683cr
  Load from UBV 8670/Hurley Dock (195ls, BMk:N, Pad:L, Plt:N, Shp:Y, Out:Y, Ref:Y):
       36 x Foods/Food Cartridges                         124cr vs      753cr, 4 days vs 5 days, total:      4,464cr
  Unload at Ardh/Nusslein-Volhard Platform (1.15Kls, BMk:N, Pad:M, Plt:N, Shp:N, Out:Y, Ref:Y) => Gain 22,644cr (629cr/ton) => 4,775,327cr
  Load from Ardh/Nusslein-Volhard Platform (1.15Kls, BMk:N, Pad:M, Plt:N, Shp:N, Out:Y, Ref:Y):
       21 x Metals/Palladium                           11,813cr vs   14,004cr, 5 days vs 4 hrs, total:    248,073cr
       15 x Metals/Gold                                 8,984cr vs   10,887cr, 5 days vs 4 hrs, total:    134,760cr
  Unload at Liu Bajara/Silva Terminal (462ls, BMk:N, Pad:L, Plt:N, Shp:Y, Out:Y, Ref:Y) => Gain 74,556cr (2,071cr/ton) => 4,849,883cr
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Finish at Liu Bajara/Silva Terminal (462ls, BMk:N, Pad:L, Plt:N, Shp:Y, Out:Y, Ref:Y) gaining 399,620cr (1,850cr/ton) => est 4,849,883cr total

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Tromador avatar Tromador commented on June 25, 2024

Not quite the format you wanted, as this is the one from the forums. I'll post future ones as requested.
Also, though we'll no doubt all do our best, bear in mind 2 decimal places of precision could be excessively time consuming on routes taking a couple of mins a time (or more) to process.

For this route above, the minimum to remove the 395k hop was LSP=12.
The 169k hop disappeared at LSP=16.

trade.py run --hops 7 --from hip15266/linnehan --to cubeo -vvv --pla=YN? --credits=95000000 --capacity=150 --ly-per=27.98 --empty-ly=32.03 --insurance=15500000 --unique --progress --pad-size=L --age=2
* Hop   1: .........1 origins
* Hop   2: ........87 origins .. 1,350-255,600cr gain, 9-1,704cr/ton
NOTE: Pruned 166 origins too far from any end stations
* Hop   3: .......376 origins .. 28,350-747,300cr gain, 94-2,491cr/ton
NOTE: Pruned 808 origins too far from any end stations
* Hop   4: .......575 origins .. 143,802-1,128,750cr gain, 323-2,508cr/ton
NOTE: Pruned 1845 origins too far from any end stations
* Hop   5: .......465 origins .. 368,550-1,276,200cr gain, 614-2,285cr/ton
NOTE: Pruned 1676 origins too far from any end stations
* Hop   6: .......350 origins .. 430,088-1,572,600cr gain, 573-2,096cr/ton
NOTE: Pruned 1066 origins too far from any end stations
* Hop   7: .......120 origins .. 983,100-1,821,201cr gain, 1,092-2,267cr/ton
HIP 15266/Linnehan Orbital -> Cubeo/Medupe City (score: 2072017.088780)
Start CR: 79,500,000
Hops    :          7
Jumps   :         14
Gain CR :  2,073,450
Gain/Hop:    296,207
Final CR: 81,573,450

  Load from HIP 15266/Linnehan Orbital (2.00Kls, BMk:Y, Pad:L, Plt:N, Shp:Y, Out:Y, Ref:Y):
      150 x Medicines/Basic Medicines               322cr vs    1,786cr, <1 hr vs 8 hrs, total:     48,300cr
  Unload at Kehperagwe/Carson Terminal (18ls, BMk:Y, Pad:L, Plt:N, Shp:Y, Out:Y, Ref:Y) => Gain 219,600cr (1,464cr/ton) => 95,219,600cr
  Load from Kehperagwe/Carson Terminal (18ls, BMk:Y, Pad:L, Plt:N, Shp:Y, Out:Y, Ref:Y):
      150 x Textiles/Military Grade Fabrics       1,031cr vs    3,414cr, 8 hrs vs 1 hr, total:    154,650cr
  Unload at Witchhaul/Boodt Keep (169Kls, BMk:N, Pad:L, Plt:Y, Shp:Y, Out:Y, Ref:Y) => Gain 357,450cr (2,383cr/ton) => 95,577,050cr
  Load from Witchhaul/Boodt Keep (169Kls, BMk:N, Pad:L, Plt:Y, Shp:Y, Out:Y, Ref:Y):
      150 x Weapons/Non-lethal Weapons            1,438cr vs    1,766cr, 1 hr vs 12 hrs, total:    215,700cr
  Unload at Kappa Fornacis/Harvestport (918ls, BMk:N, Pad:L, Plt:N, Shp:Y, Out:Y, Ref:Y) => Gain 49,200cr (328cr/ton) => 95,626,250cr
  Load from Kappa Fornacis/Harvestport (918ls, BMk:N, Pad:L, Plt:N, Shp:Y, Out:Y, Ref:Y):
      150 x Slavery/Imperial Slaves              14,231cr vs   17,324cr, 12 hrs vs 17 hrs, total:  2,134,650cr
  Unload at Putamasin/Weil Orbital (1.65Kls, BMk:N, Pad:L, Plt:N, Shp:Y, Out:Y, Ref:Y) => Gain 463,950cr (3,093cr/ton) => 96,090,200cr
  Load from Putamasin/Weil Orbital (1.65Kls, BMk:N, Pad:L, Plt:N, Shp:Y, Out:Y, Ref:Y):
      150 x Textiles/Military Grade Fabrics         934cr vs    3,557cr, 17 hrs vs 20 hrs, total:    140,100cr
  Unload at Facece/Fortress York (913ls, BMk:N, Pad:L, Plt:N, Shp:Y, Out:Y, Ref:Y) => Gain 393,450cr (2,623cr/ton) => 96,483,650cr
  Load from Facece/Fortress York (913ls, BMk:N, Pad:L, Plt:N, Shp:Y, Out:Y, Ref:Y):
      150 x Metals/Gold                           9,304cr vs   10,820cr, 20 hrs vs 34 hrs, total:  1,395,600cr
  Unload at LTT 537/Gurshtein Hub (395Kls, BMk:N, Pad:L, Plt:N, Shp:Y, Out:Y, Ref:Y) => Gain 227,400cr (1,516cr/ton) => 96,711,050cr
  Load from LTT 537/Gurshtein Hub (395Kls, BMk:N, Pad:L, Plt:N, Shp:Y, Out:Y, Ref:Y):
      150 x Consumer Items/Consumer Technology    5,862cr vs    8,278cr, 34 hrs vs <1 hr, total:    879,300cr
  Unload at Cubeo/Medupe City (332ls, BMk:N, Pad:L, Plt:N, Shp:Y, Out:Y, Ref:Y) => Gain 362,400cr (2,416cr/ton) => 97,073,450cr
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Finish at Cubeo/Medupe City (332ls, BMk:N, Pad:L, Plt:N, Shp:Y, Out:Y, Ref:Y) gaining 2,073,450cr (1,974cr/ton) => est 97,073,450cr total

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Tromador avatar Tromador commented on June 25, 2024

trade.py run --from cubeo/medupe --to sirius/qwent --hops 7 -vv --pla=YN? --credits=95000000 --capacity=150 --ly-per=27.98 --empty-ly=32.03 --insurance=15500000 --unique --progress --pad-size=L --age=2

2 routes. Route 1 when lsp <=8.57, Else Route 2 (tested various up to lsp=99)

Route 1: lsp <= 8.57

Start CR: 79,500,000
Hops    :          7
Jumps   :         13
Gain CR :  2,424,571
Gain/Hop:    346,367
Final CR: 81,924,571

  Load from Cubeo/Medupe City (332ls, BMk:N, Pad:L, Plt:N, Shp:Y, Out:Y, Ref:Y):
      150 x Consumer Items/Survival Equipment      378cr vs    1,343cr, <1 hr vs 21 hrs, total:     56,700cr
  Unload at Ehlanda/Gottlob Frege Point (24ls, BMk:N, Pad:L, Plt:Y, Shp:N, Out:Y, Ref:Y) => Gain 144,750cr (965cr/ton) => 95,144,750cr
  Load from Ehlanda/Gottlob Frege Point (24ls, BMk:N, Pad:L, Plt:Y, Shp:N, Out:Y, Ref:Y):
      150 x Metals/Gold                          9,093cr vs   12,018cr, 21 hrs vs 23 hrs, total:  1,363,950cr
  Unload at Gabjaujis/Eddington Station (397ls, BMk:N, Pad:L, Plt:N, Shp:Y, Out:Y, Ref:Y) => Gain 438,750cr (2,925cr/ton) => 95,583,500cr
  Load from Gabjaujis/Eddington Station (397ls, BMk:N, Pad:L, Plt:N, Shp:Y, Out:Y, Ref:Y):
      150 x Medicines/Basic Medicines              400cr vs    4,821cr, 23 hrs, total:     60,000cr
  Unload at Anayicates/Kushida Ring (323ls, BMk:N, Pad:L, Plt:N, Shp:Y, Out:Y, Ref:Y) => Gain 663,150cr (4,421cr/ton) => 96,246,650cr
  Load from Anayicates/Kushida Ring (323ls, BMk:N, Pad:L, Plt:N, Shp:Y, Out:Y, Ref:Y):
       37 x Legal Drugs/Beer                       120cr vs      590cr, 23 hrs vs 40 hrs, total:      4,440cr
       21 x Legal Drugs/Wine                       306cr vs      670cr, 23 hrs vs 40 hrs, total:      6,426cr
        2 x Legal Drugs/Tobacco                  4,524cr vs    5,437cr, 23 hrs vs 40 hrs, total:      9,048cr
        3 x Chemicals/Water                         59cr vs      550cr, 23 hrs vs 40 hrs, total:        177cr
  Unload at Naunei/Ingstad Arena (327Kls, BMk:Y, Pad:L, Plt:Y, Shp:N, Out:Y, Ref:Y) => Gain 28,333cr (449.73cr/ton) => 96,274,983cr
  Load from Naunei/Ingstad Arena (327Kls, BMk:Y, Pad:L, Plt:Y, Shp:N, Out:Y, Ref:Y):
      150 x Slavery/Slaves                      10,228cr vs   13,706cr, 40 hrs vs 38 hrs, total:  1,534,200cr
  Unload at Coma/Malenchenko City (576ls, BMk:Y, Pad:L, Plt:N, Shp:Y, Out:Y, Ref:Y) => Gain 521,700cr (3,478cr/ton) => 96,796,683cr
  Load from Coma/Malenchenko City (576ls, BMk:Y, Pad:L, Plt:N, Shp:Y, Out:Y, Ref:Y):
      150 x Medicines/Basic Medicines              303cr vs    4,447cr, 38 hrs vs 24 hrs, total:     45,450cr
  Unload at Izanagi/Piper Port (5.39Kls, BMk:N, Pad:L, Plt:N, Shp:Y, Out:Y, Ref:Y) => Gain 621,600cr (4,144cr/ton) => 97,418,283cr
  Load from Izanagi/Piper Port (5.39Kls, BMk:N, Pad:L, Plt:N, Shp:Y, Out:Y, Ref:Y):
       14 x Legal Drugs/Beer                       120cr vs      303cr, 24 hrs vs 4 hrs, total:      1,680cr
        7 x Legal Drugs/Tobacco                  4,698cr vs    4,998cr, 24 hrs vs 4 hrs, total:     32,886cr
       18 x Chemicals/Water                         63cr vs      124cr, 24 hrs vs 4 hrs, total:      1,134cr
        8 x Legal Drugs/Wine                       315cr vs      381cr, 24 hrs vs 4 hrs, total:      2,520cr
  Unload at Sirius/Qwent Research Base (9.53Kls, BMk:N, Pad:L, Plt:Y, Shp:N, Out:Y, Ref:Y) => Gain 6,288cr (133.787cr/ton) => 97,424,571cr
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Finish at Sirius/Qwent Research Base (9.53Kls, BMk:N, Pad:L, Plt:Y, Shp:N, Out:Y, Ref:Y) gaining 2,424,571cr (2,819cr/ton) => est 97,424,571cr total

Route 2: Else

Start CR: 79,500,000
Hops    :          7
Jumps   :         13
Gain CR :  2,342,555
Gain/Hop:    334,651
Final CR: 81,842,555

  Load from Cubeo/Medupe City (332ls, BMk:N, Pad:L, Plt:N, Shp:Y, Out:Y, Ref:Y):
      150 x Consumer Items/Survival Equipment       378cr vs      956cr, 1 hr vs 24 hrs, total:     56,700cr
  Unload at Zhao/Webb Settlement (136ls, BMk:Y, Pad:L, Plt:Y, Shp:Y, Out:Y, Ref:Y) => Gain 86,700cr (578cr/ton) => 95,086,700cr
  Load from Zhao/Webb Settlement (136ls, BMk:Y, Pad:L, Plt:Y, Shp:Y, Out:Y, Ref:Y):
      150 x Metals/Beryllium                      7,218cr vs    9,053cr, 24 hrs, total:  1,082,700cr
  Unload at Orang/Dilworth City (89ls, BMk:N, Pad:L, Plt:N, Shp:Y, Out:Y, Ref:Y) => Gain 275,250cr (1,835cr/ton) => 95,361,950cr
  Load from Orang/Dilworth City (89ls, BMk:N, Pad:L, Plt:N, Shp:Y, Out:Y, Ref:Y):
      150 x Slavery/Imperial Slaves              14,325cr vs   17,600cr, 24 hrs vs 29 hrs, total:  2,148,750cr
  Unload at Cartu/Giraud Ring (10ls, BMk:N, Pad:L, Plt:N, Shp:Y, Out:Y, Ref:Y) => Gain 491,250cr (3,275cr/ton) => 95,853,200cr
  Load from Cartu/Giraud Ring (10ls, BMk:N, Pad:L, Plt:N, Shp:Y, Out:Y, Ref:Y):
      150 x Medicines/Basic Medicines               466cr vs    4,447cr, 29 hrs vs 35 hrs, total:     69,900cr
  Unload at Eta-1 Pictoris/Roddenberry Depot (172ls, BMk:Y, Pad:L, Plt:Y, Shp:N, Out:Y, Ref:Y) => Gain 597,150cr (3,981cr/ton) => 96,450,350cr
  Load from Eta-1 Pictoris/Roddenberry Depot (172ls, BMk:Y, Pad:L, Plt:Y, Shp:N, Out:Y, Ref:Y):
       76 x Metals/Gallium                        4,429cr vs    5,857cr, 35 hrs vs 22 hrs, total:    336,604cr
       64 x Metals/Beryllium                      7,376cr vs    9,057cr, 35 hrs vs 22 hrs, total:    472,064cr
        8 x Metals/Gold                           9,082cr vs   10,763cr, 35 hrs vs 22 hrs, total:     72,656cr
        2 x Industrial Materials/CMM Composite    5,174cr vs    6,697cr, 35 hrs vs 22 hrs, total:     10,348cr
  Unload at V352 Canis Majoris/Leonov Terminal (76ls, BMk:N, Pad:L, Plt:N, Shp:Y, Out:Y, Ref:Y) => Gain 232,606cr (1,550.71cr/ton) => 96,682,956cr
  Load from V352 Canis Majoris/Leonov Terminal (76ls, BMk:N, Pad:L, Plt:N, Shp:Y, Out:Y, Ref:Y):
      150 x Medicines/Basic Medicines               371cr vs    4,768cr, 22 hrs vs 2 hrs, total:     55,650cr
  Unload at Epsilon Eridani/Galiano Depot (483ls, BMk:Y, Pad:L, Plt:Y, Shp:N, Out:Y, Ref:Y) => Gain 659,550cr (4,397cr/ton) => 97,342,506cr
  Load from Epsilon Eridani/Galiano Depot (483ls, BMk:Y, Pad:L, Plt:Y, Shp:N, Out:Y, Ref:Y):
        1 x Chemicals/Hydrogen Fuel                  85cr vs      134cr, 2 hrs vs 5 hrs, total:         85cr
  Unload at Sirius/Qwent Research Base (9.53Kls, BMk:N, Pad:L, Plt:Y, Shp:N, Out:Y, Ref:Y) => Gain 49cr (49cr/ton) => 97,342,555cr
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Finish at Sirius/Qwent Research Base (9.53Kls, BMk:N, Pad:L, Plt:Y, Shp:N, Out:Y, Ref:Y) gaining 2,342,555cr (2,599cr/ton) => est 97,342,555cr total

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aadler avatar aadler commented on June 25, 2024

Route 1 holds between 0 & 1.4 - Two 32Kls hops + One 2.52 Kls hop
Route 2 holds between 1.5 & 12.3 - One 32Kls hops + One 2.52 Kls hop
Route 3 holds between 12.4 and 20.2 - One 2.52 Kls hop
Route 4 holds between 20.3 and 100 - No hops over 389 ls (0.389 Kls)

Route 1:

F:\Elite\TD>trade run -vvv --avoid imperial,slaves --cap 192 --cr 100m --ly-per 15.92 --emp 16.49 --ins 10m --from "Hyld/Schr" --hops 4 --jumps 3 --lsp 1.4
Hyldeptu/Schroeder Gateway -> Trianguli Sector EQ-X a1-1/Miletus Landing (score: 2564443.151358)
Start CR: 90,000,000
Hops    :          4
Jumps   :         10
Gain CR :  2,590,530
Gain/Hop:    647,632
Final CR: 92,590,530

  Load from Hyldeptu/Schroeder Gateway (921ls, BMk:Y, Pad:L, Plt:N, Shp:Y, Out:Y, Ref:Y):
      192 x Industrial Materials/Superconductors    6,511cr vs    8,150cr, 25 hrs vs 28 days, total:  1,250,112cr
  Unload at HIP 27980/Ross Enterprise (2.52Kls, BMk:Y, Pad:L, Plt:N, Shp:Y, Out:Y, Ref:Y) => Gain 314,688cr (1,639cr/ton) => 100,314,688cr
  Load from HIP 27980/Ross Enterprise (2.52Kls, BMk:Y, Pad:L, Plt:N, Shp:Y, Out:Y, Ref:Y):
      192 x Medicines/Basic Medicines                  85cr vs    5,107cr, 28 days vs 15 days, total:     16,320cr
  Unload at Trianguli Sector EQ-X a1-1/Miletus Landing (32Kls, BMk:N, Pad:L, Plt:Y, Shp:N, Out:Y, Ref:Y) => Gain 964,224cr (5,022cr/ton) => 101,278,912cr
  Load from Trianguli Sector EQ-X a1-1/Miletus Landing (32Kls, BMk:N, Pad:L, Plt:Y, Shp:N, Out:Y, Ref:Y):
       65 x Metals/Aluminium                          244cr vs    1,622cr, 15 days vs 27 days, total:     15,860cr
       27 x Metals/Tantalum                         3,284cr vs    5,491cr, 15 days vs 27 days, total:     88,668cr
       18 x Industrial Materials/Superconductors    5,904cr vs    8,255cr, 15 days vs 27 days, total:    106,272cr
       20 x Metals/Titanium                           563cr vs    2,454cr, 15 days vs 27 days, total:     11,260cr
       20 x Metals/Indium                           5,163cr vs    6,865cr, 15 days vs 27 days, total:    103,260cr
        9 x Industrial Materials/Semiconductors       441cr vs    2,433cr, 15 days vs 27 days, total:      3,969cr
       11 x Metals/Copper                             428cr vs    1,798cr, 15 days vs 27 days, total:      4,708cr
        6 x Metals/Lithium                          1,097cr vs    3,196cr, 15 days vs 27 days, total:      6,582cr
        3 x Metals/Gold                             9,052cr vs   11,796cr, 15 days vs 27 days, total:     27,156cr
        4 x Metals/Uranium                          2,107cr vs    4,000cr, 15 days vs 27 days, total:      8,428cr
        3 x Metals/Gallium                          4,336cr vs    6,668cr, 15 days vs 27 days, total:     13,008cr
        3 x Metals/Silver                           4,033cr vs    6,271cr, 15 days vs 27 days, total:     12,099cr
        2 x Metals/Beryllium                        7,256cr vs    9,607cr, 15 days vs 27 days, total:     14,512cr
        1 x Industrial Materials/CMM Composite      4,820cr vs    7,725cr, 15 days vs 27 days, total:      4,820cr
  Unload at Ge/Sharp Dock (34ls, BMk:N, Pad:M, Plt:N, Shp:N, Out:Y, Ref:Y) => Gain 346,050cr (1,802.34cr/ton) => 101,624,962cr
  Load from Ge/Sharp Dock (34ls, BMk:N, Pad:M, Plt:N, Shp:N, Out:Y, Ref:Y):
      192 x Medicines/Basic Medicines                  78cr vs    5,107cr, 27 days vs 15 days, total:     14,976cr
  Unload at Trianguli Sector EQ-X a1-1/Miletus Landing (32Kls, BMk:N, Pad:L, Plt:Y, Shp:N, Out:Y, Ref:Y) => Gain 965,568cr (5,029cr/ton) => 102,590,530cr
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Finish at Trianguli Sector EQ-X a1-1/Miletus Landing (32Kls, BMk:N, Pad:L, Plt:Y, Shp:N, Out:Y, Ref:Y) gaining 2,590,530cr (3,373cr/ton) => est 102,590,530cr total

Route 2:

F:\Elite\TD>trade run -vvv --avoid imperial,slaves --cap 192 --cr 100m --ly-per 15.92 --emp 16.49 --ins 10m --from "Hyld/Schr" --hops 4 --jumps 3 --lsp 12.3
Hyldeptu/Schroeder Gateway -> Atun/Sargent Prospect (score: 2511143.199280)
Start CR: 90,000,000
Hops    :          4
Jumps   :         11
Gain CR :  2,569,986
Gain/Hop:    642,496
Final CR: 92,569,986

  Load from Hyldeptu/Schroeder Gateway (921ls, BMk:Y, Pad:L, Plt:N, Shp:Y, Out:Y, Ref:Y):
      192 x Industrial Materials/Superconductors    6,511cr vs    8,150cr, 26 hrs vs 28 days, total:  1,250,112cr
  Unload at HIP 27980/Ross Enterprise (2.52Kls, BMk:Y, Pad:L, Plt:N, Shp:Y, Out:Y, Ref:Y) => Gain 314,688cr (1,639cr/ton) => 100,314,688cr
  Load from HIP 27980/Ross Enterprise (2.52Kls, BMk:Y, Pad:L, Plt:N, Shp:Y, Out:Y, Ref:Y):
      192 x Medicines/Basic Medicines                  85cr vs    5,107cr, 28 days vs 15 days, total:     16,320cr
  Unload at Trianguli Sector EQ-X a1-1/Miletus Landing (32Kls, BMk:N, Pad:L, Plt:Y, Shp:N, Out:Y, Ref:Y) => Gain 964,224cr (5,022cr/ton) => 101,278,912cr
  Load from Trianguli Sector EQ-X a1-1/Miletus Landing (32Kls, BMk:N, Pad:L, Plt:Y, Shp:N, Out:Y, Ref:Y):
       65 x Metals/Aluminium                          244cr vs    1,622cr, 15 days vs 27 days, total:     15,860cr
       27 x Metals/Tantalum                         3,284cr vs    5,491cr, 15 days vs 27 days, total:     88,668cr
       18 x Industrial Materials/Superconductors    5,904cr vs    8,255cr, 15 days vs 27 days, total:    106,272cr
       20 x Metals/Titanium                           563cr vs    2,454cr, 15 days vs 27 days, total:     11,260cr
       20 x Metals/Indium                           5,163cr vs    6,865cr, 15 days vs 27 days, total:    103,260cr
        9 x Industrial Materials/Semiconductors       441cr vs    2,433cr, 15 days vs 27 days, total:      3,969cr
       11 x Metals/Copper                             428cr vs    1,798cr, 15 days vs 27 days, total:      4,708cr
        6 x Metals/Lithium                          1,097cr vs    3,196cr, 15 days vs 27 days, total:      6,582cr
        3 x Metals/Gold                             9,052cr vs   11,796cr, 15 days vs 27 days, total:     27,156cr
        4 x Metals/Uranium                          2,107cr vs    4,000cr, 15 days vs 27 days, total:      8,428cr
        3 x Metals/Gallium                          4,336cr vs    6,668cr, 15 days vs 27 days, total:     13,008cr
        3 x Metals/Silver                           4,033cr vs    6,271cr, 15 days vs 27 days, total:     12,099cr
        2 x Metals/Beryllium                        7,256cr vs    9,607cr, 15 days vs 27 days, total:     14,512cr
        1 x Industrial Materials/CMM Composite      4,820cr vs    7,725cr, 15 days vs 27 days, total:      4,820cr
  Unload at Ge/Sharp Dock (34ls, BMk:N, Pad:M, Plt:N, Shp:N, Out:Y, Ref:Y) => Gain 346,050cr (1,802.34cr/ton) => 101,624,962cr
  Load from Ge/Sharp Dock (34ls, BMk:N, Pad:M, Plt:N, Shp:N, Out:Y, Ref:Y):
      192 x Medicines/Basic Medicines                  78cr vs    5,000cr, 27 days vs 33 days, total:     14,976cr
  Unload at Atun/Sargent Prospect (308ls, BMk:Y, Pad:M, Plt:N, Shp:N, Out:N, Ref:Y) => Gain 945,024cr (4,922cr/ton) => 102,569,986cr
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Finish at Atun/Sargent Prospect (308ls, BMk:Y, Pad:M, Plt:N, Shp:N, Out:N, Ref:Y) gaining 2,569,986cr (3,346cr/ton) => est 102,569,986cr total

Route 3:

F:\Elite\TD>trade run -vvv --avoid imperial,slaves --cap 192 --cr 100m --ly-per 15.92 --emp 16.49 --ins 10m --from "Hyld/Schr" --hops 4 --jumps 3 --lsp 20.2
Hyldeptu/Schroeder Gateway -> Atun/Sargent Prospect (score: 2576801.368331)
Start CR: 90,000,000
Hops    :          4
Jumps   :         12
Gain CR :  2,408,041
Gain/Hop:    602,010
Final CR: 92,408,041

  Load from Hyldeptu/Schroeder Gateway (921ls, BMk:Y, Pad:L, Plt:N, Shp:Y, Out:Y, Ref:Y):
      192 x Industrial Materials/Superconductors        6,511cr vs    8,150cr, 26 hrs vs 28 days, total:  1,250,112cr
  Unload at HIP 27980/Ross Enterprise (2.52Kls, BMk:Y, Pad:L, Plt:N, Shp:Y, Out:Y, Ref:Y) => Gain 314,688cr (1,639cr/ton) => 100,314,688cr
  Load from HIP 27980/Ross Enterprise (2.52Kls, BMk:Y, Pad:L, Plt:N, Shp:Y, Out:Y, Ref:Y):
      192 x Medicines/Basic Medicines                      85cr vs    5,000cr, 28 days vs 33 days, total:     16,320cr
  Unload at Atun/Sargent Prospect (308ls, BMk:Y, Pad:M, Plt:N, Shp:N, Out:N, Ref:Y) => Gain 943,680cr (4,915cr/ton) => 101,258,368cr
  Load from Atun/Sargent Prospect (308ls, BMk:Y, Pad:M, Plt:N, Shp:N, Out:N, Ref:Y):
       19 x Metals/Titanium                               566cr vs    2,454cr, 33 days vs 27 days, total:     10,754cr
       16 x Metals/Aluminium                              244cr vs    1,622cr, 33 days vs 27 days, total:      3,904cr
       16 x Industrial Materials/Polymers                 131cr vs    1,408cr, 33 days vs 27 days, total:      2,096cr
        9 x Metals/Uranium                              2,120cr vs    4,000cr, 33 days vs 27 days, total:     19,080cr
       11 x Metals/Copper                                 430cr vs    1,798cr, 33 days vs 27 days, total:      4,730cr
       11 x Textiles/Synthetic Fabrics                    122cr vs    1,464cr, 33 days vs 27 days, total:      1,342cr
        6 x Metals/Gallium                              4,405cr vs    6,668cr, 33 days vs 27 days, total:     26,430cr
        5 x Industrial Materials/Superconductors        5,864cr vs    8,255cr, 33 days vs 27 days, total:     29,320cr
        5 x Metals/Indium                               5,156cr vs    6,865cr, 33 days vs 27 days, total:     25,780cr
        9 x Metals/Cobalt                                 236cr vs    1,022cr, 33 days vs 27 days, total:      2,124cr
        3 x Industrial Materials/Semiconductors           422cr vs    2,433cr, 33 days vs 27 days, total:      1,266cr
        2 x Metals/Gold                                 8,996cr vs   11,796cr, 33 days vs 27 days, total:     17,992cr
        4 x Textiles/Conductive Fabrics                   522cr vs    1,834cr, 33 days vs 27 days, total:      2,088cr
        2 x Metals/Beryllium                            7,117cr vs    9,607cr, 33 days vs 27 days, total:     14,234cr
        2 x Metals/Silver                               4,121cr vs    6,271cr, 33 days vs 27 days, total:      8,242cr
        2 x Metals/Lithium                              1,065cr vs    3,196cr, 33 days vs 27 days, total:      2,130cr
        1 x Industrial Materials/Insulating Membrane    9,362cr vs   12,390cr, 33 days vs 27 days, total:      9,362cr
        1 x Metals/Palladium                           11,608cr vs   14,304cr, 33 days vs 27 days, total:     11,608cr
        1 x Metals/Tantalum                             3,223cr vs    5,491cr, 33 days vs 27 days, total:      3,223cr
  Unload at Ge/Sharp Dock (34ls, BMk:N, Pad:M, Plt:N, Shp:N, Out:Y, Ref:Y) => Gain 204,649cr (1,637.19cr/ton) => 101,463,017cr
  Load from Ge/Sharp Dock (34ls, BMk:N, Pad:M, Plt:N, Shp:N, Out:Y, Ref:Y):
      192 x Medicines/Basic Medicines                      78cr vs    5,000cr, 27 days vs 33 days, total:     14,976cr
  Unload at Atun/Sargent Prospect (308ls, BMk:Y, Pad:M, Plt:N, Shp:N, Out:N, Ref:Y) => Gain 945,024cr (4,922cr/ton) => 102,408,041cr
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Finish at Atun/Sargent Prospect (308ls, BMk:Y, Pad:M, Plt:N, Shp:N, Out:N, Ref:Y) gaining 2,408,041cr (3,435cr/ton) => est 102,408,041cr total

Route 4:

F:\Elite\TD>trade run -vvv --avoid imperial,slaves --cap 192 --cr 100m --ly-per 15.92 --emp 16.49 --ins 10m --from "Hyld/Schr" --hops 4 --jumps 3 --lsp 20.3
Hyldeptu/Schroeder Gateway -> Atun/Sargent Prospect (score: 2577682.416443)
Start CR: 90,000,000
Hops    :          4
Jumps   :         12
Gain CR :  2,362,729
Gain/Hop:    590,682
Final CR: 92,362,729

  Load from Hyldeptu/Schroeder Gateway (921ls, BMk:Y, Pad:L, Plt:N, Shp:Y, Out:Y, Ref:Y):
      192 x Foods/Synthetic Meat                          274cr vs    2,085cr, 26 hrs vs 55 days, total:     52,608cr
  Unload at HIP 27980/Barba Ring (389ls, BMk:N, Pad:M, Plt:N, Shp:N, Out:N, Ref:Y) => Gain 347,712cr (1,811cr/ton) => 100,347,712cr
  Load from HIP 27980/Barba Ring (389ls, BMk:N, Pad:M, Plt:N, Shp:N, Out:N, Ref:Y):
      192 x Medicines/Basic Medicines                     493cr vs    5,000cr, 55 days vs 33 days, total:     94,656cr
  Unload at Atun/Sargent Prospect (308ls, BMk:Y, Pad:M, Plt:N, Shp:N, Out:N, Ref:Y) => Gain 865,344cr (4,507cr/ton) => 101,213,056cr
  Load from Atun/Sargent Prospect (308ls, BMk:Y, Pad:M, Plt:N, Shp:N, Out:N, Ref:Y):
       19 x Metals/Titanium                               566cr vs    2,454cr, 33 days vs 27 days, total:     10,754cr
       16 x Metals/Aluminium                              244cr vs    1,622cr, 33 days vs 27 days, total:      3,904cr
       16 x Industrial Materials/Polymers                 131cr vs    1,408cr, 33 days vs 27 days, total:      2,096cr
        9 x Metals/Uranium                              2,120cr vs    4,000cr, 33 days vs 27 days, total:     19,080cr
       11 x Metals/Copper                                 430cr vs    1,798cr, 33 days vs 27 days, total:      4,730cr
       11 x Textiles/Synthetic Fabrics                    122cr vs    1,464cr, 33 days vs 27 days, total:      1,342cr
        6 x Metals/Gallium                              4,405cr vs    6,668cr, 33 days vs 27 days, total:     26,430cr
        5 x Industrial Materials/Superconductors        5,864cr vs    8,255cr, 33 days vs 27 days, total:     29,320cr
        5 x Metals/Indium                               5,156cr vs    6,865cr, 33 days vs 27 days, total:     25,780cr
        9 x Metals/Cobalt                                 236cr vs    1,022cr, 33 days vs 27 days, total:      2,124cr
        3 x Industrial Materials/Semiconductors           422cr vs    2,433cr, 33 days vs 27 days, total:      1,266cr
        2 x Metals/Gold                                 8,996cr vs   11,796cr, 33 days vs 27 days, total:     17,992cr
        4 x Textiles/Conductive Fabrics                   522cr vs    1,834cr, 33 days vs 27 days, total:      2,088cr
        2 x Metals/Beryllium                            7,117cr vs    9,607cr, 33 days vs 27 days, total:     14,234cr
        2 x Metals/Silver                               4,121cr vs    6,271cr, 33 days vs 27 days, total:      8,242cr
        2 x Metals/Lithium                              1,065cr vs    3,196cr, 33 days vs 27 days, total:      2,130cr
        1 x Industrial Materials/Insulating Membrane    9,362cr vs   12,390cr, 33 days vs 27 days, total:      9,362cr
        1 x Metals/Palladium                           11,608cr vs   14,304cr, 33 days vs 27 days, total:     11,608cr
        1 x Metals/Tantalum                             3,223cr vs    5,491cr, 33 days vs 27 days, total:      3,223cr
  Unload at Ge/Sharp Dock (34ls, BMk:N, Pad:M, Plt:N, Shp:N, Out:Y, Ref:Y) => Gain 204,649cr (1,637.19cr/ton) => 101,417,705cr
  Load from Ge/Sharp Dock (34ls, BMk:N, Pad:M, Plt:N, Shp:N, Out:Y, Ref:Y):
      192 x Medicines/Basic Medicines                      78cr vs    5,000cr, 27 days vs 33 days, total:     14,976cr
  Unload at Atun/Sargent Prospect (308ls, BMk:Y, Pad:M, Plt:N, Shp:N, Out:N, Ref:Y) => Gain 945,024cr (4,922cr/ton) => 102,362,729cr
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Finish at Atun/Sargent Prospect (308ls, BMk:Y, Pad:M, Plt:N, Shp:N, Out:N, Ref:Y) gaining 2,362,729cr (3,370cr/ton) => est 102,362,729cr total

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eyeonus avatar eyeonus commented on June 25, 2024

So far, it's looking like lsp=15 is a decent default, but I'm going to hold off on final answer until we've got some more data.

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aadler avatar aadler commented on June 25, 2024

Route 1: 0 – 10.6: 447 Kls TWICE and a 2.77 Kls
Route 2: 10.7 – 12.2: 21Kls entry
Route 3: 12.3 – 13.5 : 2.24 Kls + 1.85 Kls
Route 4: 13.6 – 100: Nothing over 853 ls (0.853 Kls)

Call:
trade run -vvv --avoid imperial,slaves --cap 192 --cr 100m --ly-per 15.92 --emp 16.49 --ins 10m --from "Sol" --to "Epsilon Erid" --hops 4 --jumps 3

Route 1:

F:\Elite\TD>trade run -vvv --avoid imperial,slaves --cap 192 --cr 100m --ly-per 15.92 --emp 16.49 --ins 10m --from "Sol" --to "Epsilon Erid" --hops 4 --jumps 3 --lsp 0
NOTE: Pruned 13496 origins too far from any end stations
Sol/Galileo -> Epsilon Eridani/Galiano Depot (score: 2551296.000000)
Start CR: 90,000,000
Hops    :          4
Jumps   :         11
Gain CR :  2,551,296
Gain/Hop:    637,824
Final CR: 92,551,296

  Load from Sol/Galileo (492ls, BMk:Y, Pad:L, Plt:N, Shp:Y, Out:Y, Ref:Y):
      192 x Textiles/Conductive Fabrics      690cr vs    2,729cr, 4 hrs vs 30 days, total:    132,480cr
  Unload at Arangorii/Leibniz Orbital (447Kls, BMk:N, Pad:M, Plt:N, Shp:N, Out:N, Ref:Y) => Gain 391,488cr (2,039cr/ton) => 100,391,488cr
  Load from Arangorii/Leibniz Orbital (447Kls, BMk:N, Pad:M, Plt:N, Shp:N, Out:N, Ref:Y):
      192 x Medicines/Basic Medicines         62cr vs    4,527cr, 30 days vs 4 days, total:     11,904cr
  Unload at Edenapel/Womack Hub (2.77Kls, BMk:N, Pad:M, Plt:N, Shp:N, Out:N, Ref:Y) => Gain 857,280cr (4,465cr/ton) => 101,248,768cr
  Load from Edenapel/Womack Hub (2.77Kls, BMk:N, Pad:M, Plt:N, Shp:N, Out:N, Ref:Y):
      192 x Textiles/Conductive Fabrics      651cr vs    2,729cr, 4 days vs 30 days, total:    124,992cr
  Unload at Arangorii/Leibniz Orbital (447Kls, BMk:N, Pad:M, Plt:N, Shp:N, Out:N, Ref:Y) => Gain 398,976cr (2,078cr/ton) => 101,647,744cr
  Load from Arangorii/Leibniz Orbital (447Kls, BMk:N, Pad:M, Plt:N, Shp:N, Out:N, Ref:Y):
      192 x Medicines/Basic Medicines         62cr vs    4,768cr, 30 days vs 9 hrs, total:     11,904cr
  Unload at Epsilon Eridani/Galiano Depot (483ls, BMk:Y, Pad:L, Plt:Y, Shp:N, Out:Y, Ref:Y) => Gain 903,552cr (4,706cr/ton) => 102,551,296cr
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Finish at Epsilon Eridani/Galiano Depot (483ls, BMk:Y, Pad:L, Plt:Y, Shp:N, Out:Y, Ref:Y) gaining 2,551,296cr (3,322cr/ton) => est 102,551,296cr total

Route 2

F:\Elite\TD>trade run -vvv --avoid imperial,slaves --cap 192 --cr 100m --ly-per 15.92 --emp 16.49 --ins 10m --from "Sol" --to "Epsilon Erid" --hops 4 --jumps 3 --lsp 10.7
NOTE: Pruned 13496 origins too far from any end stations
Sol/Ehrlich City -> Epsilon Eridani/Galiano Depot (score: 2476806.447918)
Start CR: 90,000,000
Hops    :          4
Jumps   :          9
Gain CR :  2,466,432
Gain/Hop:    616,608
Final CR: 92,466,432

  Load from Sol/Ehrlich City (166ls, BMk:Y, Pad:L, Plt:Y, Shp:Y, Out:Y, Ref:Y):
      192 x Medicines/Basic Medicines      309cr vs    4,589cr, 23 hrs vs 4 hrs, total:     59,328cr
  Unload at Epsilon Indi/Perry Depot (192ls, BMk:Y, Pad:L, Plt:N, Shp:Y, Out:Y, Ref:Y) => Gain 821,760cr (4,280cr/ton) => 100,821,760cr
  Load from Epsilon Indi/Perry Depot (192ls, BMk:Y, Pad:L, Plt:N, Shp:Y, Out:Y, Ref:Y):
      192 x Legal Drugs/Beer               141cr vs      420cr, 4 hrs vs 27 days, total:     27,072cr
  Unload at Sanuku/Yamazaki Base (853ls, BMk:N, Pad:M, Plt:N, Shp:N, Out:Y, Ref:Y) => Gain 53,568cr (279cr/ton) => 100,875,328cr
  Load from Sanuku/Yamazaki Base (853ls, BMk:N, Pad:M, Plt:N, Shp:N, Out:Y, Ref:Y):
      192 x Metals/Silver                2,528cr vs    6,149cr, 27 days vs 27 days, total:    485,376cr
  Unload at Iman Caber/Dezhurov Enterprise (21Kls, BMk:N, Pad:M, Plt:N, Shp:N, Out:Y, Ref:Y) => Gain 695,232cr (3,621cr/ton) => 101,570,560cr
  Load from Iman Caber/Dezhurov Enterprise (21Kls, BMk:N, Pad:M, Plt:N, Shp:N, Out:Y, Ref:Y):
      192 x Medicines/Basic Medicines      102cr vs    4,768cr, 27 days vs 10 hrs, total:     19,584cr
  Unload at Epsilon Eridani/Galiano Depot (483ls, BMk:Y, Pad:L, Plt:Y, Shp:N, Out:Y, Ref:Y) => Gain 895,872cr (4,666cr/ton) => 102,466,432cr
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Finish at Epsilon Eridani/Galiano Depot (483ls, BMk:Y, Pad:L, Plt:Y, Shp:N, Out:Y, Ref:Y) gaining 2,466,432cr (3,211cr/ton) => est 102,466,432cr total

Route 3:

F:\Elite\TD>trade run -vvv --avoid imperial,slaves --cap 192 --cr 100m --ly-per 15.92 --emp 16.49 --ins 10m --from "Sol" --to "Epsilon Erid" --hops 4 --jumps 3 --lsp 12.3
NOTE: Pruned 13496 origins too far from any end stations
Sol/Ehrlich City -> Epsilon Eridani/Galiano Depot (score: 2478382.747355)
Start CR: 90,000,000
Hops    :          4
Jumps   :         11
Gain CR :  2,452,406
Gain/Hop:    613,102
Final CR: 92,452,406

  Load from Sol/Ehrlich City (166ls, BMk:Y, Pad:L, Plt:Y, Shp:Y, Out:Y, Ref:Y):
      192 x Medicines/Basic Medicines                     309cr vs    5,035cr, 23 hrs vs 17 days, total:     59,328cr
  Unload at NLTT 55164/Martinez Depot (2.24Kls, BMk:N, Pad:M, Plt:N, Shp:N, Out:Y, Ref:Y) => Gain 907,392cr (4,726cr/ton) => 100,907,392cr
  Load from NLTT 55164/Martinez Depot (2.24Kls, BMk:N, Pad:M, Plt:N, Shp:N, Out:Y, Ref:Y):
       49 x Metals/Copper                                 434cr vs    1,586cr, 17 days vs 29 days, total:     21,266cr
       41 x Industrial Materials/Polymers                 135cr vs    1,198cr, 17 days vs 29 days, total:      5,535cr
       17 x Metals/Tantalum                             3,305cr vs    5,363cr, 17 days vs 29 days, total:     56,185cr
       12 x Industrial Materials/Superconductors        5,917cr vs    8,436cr, 17 days vs 29 days, total:     71,004cr
       13 x Metals/Indium                               5,180cr vs    7,502cr, 17 days vs 29 days, total:     67,340cr
       13 x Metals/Titanium                               568cr vs    2,351cr, 17 days vs 29 days, total:      7,384cr
       14 x Metals/Aluminium                              249cr vs    1,284cr, 17 days vs 29 days, total:      3,486cr
       10 x Textiles/Conductive Fabrics                   530cr vs    1,742cr, 17 days vs 29 days, total:      5,300cr
        6 x Industrial Materials/Semiconductors           442cr vs    2,195cr, 17 days vs 29 days, total:      2,652cr
        4 x Metals/Lithium                              1,100cr vs    3,043cr, 17 days vs 29 days, total:      4,400cr
        3 x Metals/Silver                               4,096cr vs    6,314cr, 17 days vs 29 days, total:     12,288cr
        3 x Metals/Uranium                              2,097cr vs    3,896cr, 17 days vs 29 days, total:      6,291cr
        2 x Metals/Gold                                 8,988cr vs   11,532cr, 17 days vs 29 days, total:     17,976cr
        2 x Metals/Gallium                              4,346cr vs    6,692cr, 17 days vs 29 days, total:      8,692cr
        1 x Industrial Materials/Insulating Membrane    9,350cr vs   12,174cr, 17 days vs 29 days, total:      9,350cr
        1 x Metals/Palladium                           11,600cr vs   14,024cr, 17 days vs 29 days, total:     11,600cr
        1 x Metals/Beryllium                            7,430cr vs    9,631cr, 17 days vs 29 days, total:      7,430cr
  Unload at Abi/Sommerfeld Orbital (1.85Kls, BMk:Y, Pad:M, Plt:N, Shp:N, Out:N, Ref:Y) => Gain 292,790cr (1,524.95cr/ton) => 101,200,182cr
  Load from Abi/Sommerfeld Orbital (1.85Kls, BMk:Y, Pad:M, Plt:N, Shp:N, Out:N, Ref:Y):
      192 x Minerals/Bertrandite                        1,108cr vs    3,101cr, 29 days vs 6 hrs, total:    212,736cr
  Unload at 5 G. Capricorni/Mastracchio Orbital (152ls, BMk:N, Pad:L, Plt:N, Shp:Y, Out:Y, Ref:Y) => Gain 382,656cr (1,993cr/ton) => 101,582,838cr
  Load from 5 G. Capricorni/Mastracchio Orbital (152ls, BMk:N, Pad:L, Plt:N, Shp:Y, Out:Y, Ref:Y):
      192 x Medicines/Basic Medicines                     239cr vs    4,768cr, 6 hrs vs 10 hrs, total:     45,888cr
  Unload at Epsilon Eridani/Galiano Depot (483ls, BMk:Y, Pad:L, Plt:Y, Shp:N, Out:Y, Ref:Y) => Gain 869,568cr (4,529cr/ton) => 102,452,406cr
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Finish at Epsilon Eridani/Galiano Depot (483ls, BMk:Y, Pad:L, Plt:Y, Shp:N, Out:Y, Ref:Y) gaining 2,452,406cr (3,193cr/ton) => est 102,452,406cr total

Route 4:

F:\Elite\TD>trade run -vvv --avoid imperial,slaves --cap 192 --cr 100m --ly-per 15.92 --emp 16.49 --ins 10m --from "Sol" --to "Epsilon Erid" --hops 4 --jumps 3 --lsp 100
NOTE: Pruned 13496 origins too far from any end stations
Sol/Ehrlich City -> Epsilon Eridani/Galiano Depot (score: 3405482.293455)
Start CR: 90,000,000
Hops    :          4
Jumps   :          8
Gain CR :  2,335,872
Gain/Hop:    583,968
Final CR: 92,335,872

  Load from Sol/Ehrlich City (166ls, BMk:Y, Pad:L, Plt:Y, Shp:Y, Out:Y, Ref:Y):
      192 x Medicines/Basic Medicines      309cr vs    4,589cr, 22 hrs vs 3 hrs, total:     59,328cr
  Unload at Epsilon Indi/Perry Depot (192ls, BMk:Y, Pad:L, Plt:N, Shp:Y, Out:Y, Ref:Y) => Gain 821,760cr (4,280cr/ton) => 100,821,760cr
  Load from Epsilon Indi/Perry Depot (192ls, BMk:Y, Pad:L, Plt:N, Shp:Y, Out:Y, Ref:Y):
      192 x Legal Drugs/Beer               141cr vs      420cr, 3 hrs vs 27 days, total:     27,072cr
  Unload at Sanuku/Yamazaki Base (853ls, BMk:N, Pad:M, Plt:N, Shp:N, Out:Y, Ref:Y) => Gain 53,568cr (279cr/ton) => 100,875,328cr
  Load from Sanuku/Yamazaki Base (853ls, BMk:N, Pad:M, Plt:N, Shp:N, Out:Y, Ref:Y):
      192 x Metals/Tantalum              1,561cr vs    4,651cr, 27 days vs 2 days, total:    299,712cr
  Unload at LTT 2151/Onnes Depot (72ls, BMk:Y, Pad:L, Plt:Y, Shp:Y, Out:Y, Ref:Y) => Gain 593,280cr (3,090cr/ton) => 101,468,608cr
  Load from LTT 2151/Onnes Depot (72ls, BMk:Y, Pad:L, Plt:Y, Shp:Y, Out:Y, Ref:Y):
      192 x Medicines/Basic Medicines      251cr vs    4,768cr, 2 days vs 9 hrs, total:     48,192cr
  Unload at Epsilon Eridani/Galiano Depot (483ls, BMk:Y, Pad:L, Plt:Y, Shp:N, Out:Y, Ref:Y) => Gain 867,264cr (4,517cr/ton) => 102,335,872cr
  ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Finish at Epsilon Eridani/Galiano Depot (483ls, BMk:Y, Pad:L, Plt:Y, Shp:N, Out:Y, Ref:Y) gaining 2,335,872cr (3,041cr/ton) => est 102,335,872cr tota

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aadler avatar aadler commented on June 25, 2024

Call: trade run -vvv --summary --progress --avoid "imperial,slaves" --credits 120m --cap 192 --ins 10m --empty 15.92 --ly 12.75 --pad ML --from LAVE --hops 4 --jumps 3

Route 1: 0 – 6.4: 2.60 Kls --> 4.35 Kls --> 31 Kls --> 0.974 Kls for 2,394,440
Route 2: 6.5 – 8.4: 2.60 Kls --> 0.312 Kls --> 13 Kls --> 0.974 Kls for 2,355,711
Route 3: 8.5 – 100: 2.60 Kls --> 0.398 Kls --> 0.35 Kls --> 0.448 Kls for 2,259,174

Route 1

F:\Elite\TD>trade run -vvv --summary --progress --avoid "imperial,slaves" --credits 120m --cap 192 --ins 10m --empty 15.92 --ly 12.75 --pad ML --from LAVE --hops 4 --jumps 3 --lsp 0
* Hop   1: .........1 origins
* Hop   2: .......179 origins .. 1,920-404,352cr gain, 10-2,106cr/ton
* Hop   3: .......878 origins .. 61,248-1,253,184cr gain, 159-3,263cr/ton
* Hop   4: .....2,803 origins .. 121,426-1,631,040cr gain, 268-3,258cr/ton
Lave/Chern Terminal -> Mbo/Galilei Platform (score: 2394440.000000)
Start CR: 110,000,000
Hops    :          4
Jumps   :          9
Gain CR :  2,394,440
Gain/Hop:    598,610
Final CR: 112,394,440


  Load from Lave/Chern Terminal (2.60Kls, BMk:N, Pad:L, Plt:Y, Shp:N, Out:Y, Ref:Y):
      192 x Metals/Gold                                 8,988cr vs   10,993cr, 25 mths vs 3 days, total:  1,725,696cr
    Expect to gain 384,960cr (2,005cr/ton)

  Load from Uszaa/Schouten Landing (4.35Kls, BMk:N, Pad:L, Plt:Y, Shp:N, Out:Y, Ref:Y):
      192 x Medicines/Basic Medicines                     189cr vs    4,643cr, 3 days vs 3 days, total:     36,288cr
    Expect to gain 855,168cr (4,454cr/ton)

  Load from Ensoreus/Slayton Orbital (31Kls, BMk:N, Pad:M, Plt:N, Shp:N, Out:N, Ref:Y):
       59 x Metals/Beryllium                            7,550cr vs    9,089cr, 3 days vs 2 days, total:    445,450cr
       59 x Textiles/Conductive Fabrics                   567cr vs    2,022cr, 3 days vs 2 days, total:     33,453cr
       34 x Metals/Gold                                 9,306cr vs   10,837cr, 3 days vs 2 days, total:    316,404cr
       34 x Metals/Tantalum                             3,520cr vs    4,679cr, 3 days vs 2 days, total:    119,680cr
        6 x Industrial Materials/Insulating Membrane    9,972cr vs   11,689cr, 3 days vs 2 days, total:     59,832cr
    Expect to gain 278,408cr (1,450.04cr/ton)

  Load from Reshas/Banks Port (974ls, BMk:N, Pad:M, Plt:N, Shp:N, Out:Y, Ref:Y):
      192 x Medicines/Basic Medicines                     304cr vs    4,866cr, 2 days vs 20 days, total:     58,368cr
    Expect to gain 875,904cr (4,562cr/ton)
  ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Finish at Mbo/Galilei Platform (350ls, BMk:Y, Pad:M, Plt:N, Shp:N, Out:N, Ref:Y) gaining 2,394,440cr (3,117cr/ton) => est 122,394,440cr total

Route 2

F:\Elite\TD>trade run -vvv --summary --progress --avoid "imperial,slaves" --credits 120m --cap 192 --ins 10m --empty 15.92 --ly 12.75 --pad ML --from LAVE --hops 4 --jumps 3 --lsp 6.5
* Hop   1: .........1 origins
* Hop   2: .......179 origins .. 1,920-404,352cr gain, 10-2,106cr/ton
* Hop   3: .......878 origins .. 61,248-1,253,184cr gain, 159-3,263cr/ton
* Hop   4: .....2,803 origins .. 121,426-1,631,040cr gain, 268-3,258cr/ton
Lave/Chern Terminal -> Mbo/Galilei Platform (score: 2346491.492877)
Start CR: 110,000,000
Hops    :          4
Jumps   :         12
Gain CR :  2,355,711
Gain/Hop:    588,928
Final CR: 112,355,711


  Load from Lave/Chern Terminal (2.60Kls, BMk:N, Pad:L, Plt:Y, Shp:N, Out:Y, Ref:Y):
      192 x Metals/Gold                                 8,988cr vs   11,077cr, 25 mths vs 7 hrs, total:  1,725,696cr
    Expect to gain 401,088cr (2,089cr/ton)

  Load from LP 547-159/Martin Gateway (312ls, BMk:N, Pad:L, Plt:N, Shp:Y, Out:Y, Ref:Y):
      192 x Medicines/Basic Medicines                     390cr vs    4,527cr, 7 hrs vs 34 days, total:     74,880cr
    Expect to gain 794,304cr (4,137cr/ton)

  Load from BD-19 3629A/Serre Dock (13Kls, BMk:N, Pad:M, Plt:N, Shp:N, Out:Y, Ref:Y):
      137 x Metals/Beryllium                            7,612cr vs    9,089cr, 34 days vs 2 days, total:  1,042,844cr
       43 x Metals/Gold                                 9,375cr vs   10,837cr, 34 days vs 2 days, total:    403,125cr
       12 x Industrial Materials/Insulating Membrane   10,089cr vs   11,689cr, 34 days vs 2 days, total:    121,068cr
    Expect to gain 284,415cr (1,481.33cr/ton)

  Load from Reshas/Banks Port (974ls, BMk:N, Pad:M, Plt:N, Shp:N, Out:Y, Ref:Y):
      192 x Medicines/Basic Medicines                     304cr vs    4,866cr, 2 days vs 20 days, total:     58,368cr
    Expect to gain 875,904cr (4,562cr/ton)
  ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Finish at Mbo/Galilei Platform (350ls, BMk:Y, Pad:M, Plt:N, Shp:N, Out:N, Ref:Y) gaining 2,355,711cr (3,067cr/ton) => est 122,355,711cr total

Route 3

F:\Elite\TD>trade run -vvv --summary --progress --avoid "imperial,slaves" --credits 120m --cap 192 --ins 10m --empty 15.92 --ly 12.75 --pad ML --from LAVE --hops 4 --jumps 3 --lsp 8.5
* Hop   1: .........1 origins
* Hop   2: .......179 origins .. 1,920-404,352cr gain, 10-2,106cr/ton
* Hop   3: .......878 origins .. 61,248-1,253,184cr gain, 159-3,263cr/ton
* Hop   4: .....2,803 origins .. 121,426-1,631,040cr gain, 268-3,258cr/ton
Lave/Chern Terminal -> Mbo/Galilei Platform (score: 2344270.422320)
Start CR: 110,000,000
Hops    :          4
Jumps   :         12
Gain CR :  2,259,174
Gain/Hop:    564,794
Final CR: 112,259,174


  Load from Lave/Chern Terminal (2.60Kls, BMk:N, Pad:L, Plt:Y, Shp:N, Out:Y, Ref:Y):
      192 x Metals/Gold                                 8,988cr vs   10,830cr, 25 mths vs 12 hrs, total:  1,725,696cr
    Expect to gain 353,664cr (1,842cr/ton)

  Load from Anotchadiae/Malerba Orbital (398ls, BMk:N, Pad:L, Plt:N, Shp:Y, Out:Y, Ref:Y):
      192 x Medicines/Basic Medicines                     330cr vs    4,866cr, 12 hrs vs 20 days, total:     63,360cr
    Expect to gain 870,912cr (4,536cr/ton)

  Load from Mbo/Galilei Platform (350ls, BMk:Y, Pad:M, Plt:N, Shp:N, Out:N, Ref:Y):
       18 x Metals/Lithium                              1,135cr vs    2,324cr, 20 days vs 9 hrs, total:     20,430cr
       25 x Metals/Copper                                 451cr vs    1,070cr, 20 days vs 9 hrs, total:     11,275cr
       13 x Metals/Titanium                               585cr vs    1,701cr, 20 days vs 9 hrs, total:      7,605cr
       22 x Metals/Aluminium                              258cr vs      914cr, 20 days vs 9 hrs, total:      5,676cr
        9 x Metals/Tantalum                             3,342cr vs    4,839cr, 20 days vs 9 hrs, total:     30,078cr
       21 x Industrial Materials/Polymers                 142cr vs      726cr, 20 days vs 9 hrs, total:      2,982cr
        6 x Industrial Materials/Superconductors        5,983cr vs    7,682cr, 20 days vs 9 hrs, total:     35,898cr
       15 x Textiles/Synthetic Fabrics                    130cr vs      760cr, 20 days vs 9 hrs, total:      1,950cr
       12 x Metals/Cobalt                                 246cr vs    1,021cr, 20 days vs 9 hrs, total:      2,952cr
        6 x Metals/Silver                               4,168cr vs    5,247cr, 20 days vs 9 hrs, total:     25,008cr
        7 x Metals/Indium                               5,225cr vs    6,145cr, 20 days vs 9 hrs, total:     36,575cr
        3 x Industrial Materials/Semiconductors           459cr vs    1,581cr, 20 days vs 9 hrs, total:      1,377cr
        2 x Metals/Gold                                 9,190cr vs   10,849cr, 20 days vs 9 hrs, total:     18,380cr
        2 x Metals/Uranium                              2,076cr vs    3,477cr, 20 days vs 9 hrs, total:      4,152cr
        1 x Metals/Palladium                           11,642cr vs   14,273cr, 20 days vs 9 hrs, total:     11,642cr
        1 x Industrial Materials/Insulating Membrane    9,406cr vs   11,888cr, 20 days vs 9 hrs, total:      9,406cr
        1 x Metals/Beryllium                            7,301cr vs    9,282cr, 20 days vs 9 hrs, total:      7,301cr
        1 x Metals/Gallium                              4,489cr vs    6,054cr, 20 days vs 9 hrs, total:      4,489cr
        1 x Textiles/Conductive Fabrics                   497cr vs    1,095cr, 20 days vs 9 hrs, total:        497cr
        1 x Waste/Biowaste                                 63cr vs       74cr, 20 days vs 9 hrs, total:         63cr
    Expect to gain 152,166cr (911.174cr/ton)

  Load from Shoku/Berezin Ring (448ls, BMk:N, Pad:L, Plt:N, Shp:Y, Out:Y, Ref:Y):
      192 x Medicines/Basic Medicines                     270cr vs    4,866cr, 9 hrs vs 20 days, total:     51,840cr
    Expect to gain 882,432cr (4,596cr/ton)
  ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Finish at Mbo/Galilei Platform (350ls, BMk:Y, Pad:M, Plt:N, Shp:N, Out:N, Ref:Y) gaining 2,259,174cr (3,040cr/ton) => est 122,259,174cr total

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aadler avatar aadler commented on June 25, 2024

I'll try to do a few more on Sunday, but my gut feeling is telling me that a default of 12.5 would work well. Also, @Tromador, now that the penaltys are both more normal and will be more pronounced with the new defaults, I'd recommend the documentation (wiki too) mention that it's not a bad idea to pass --lsp=0 to get a feel for the money/time tradeoff. Passing lsp=100 to get the other bookend isn't crazy either, and now that we've implemented the linear bounded knapsack problem approximation, the time it takes to run the bookends is much shorter!

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eyeonus avatar eyeonus commented on June 25, 2024

Yeah, I'm thinking 12.5 as well.

Which reminds me, I wanted to ask Mark if he can increase the granularity in TDHelper for the penalty field to 1/10ths instead of the current ints-only.

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Tromador avatar Tromador commented on June 25, 2024

12.5 May be too low - have a look at this. Two routes.

Route 1 LSP <=19.75. Else Route 2

Route 1 -

trade.py run --from bibari/fraz --to cubeo --hops 2 -vv -v --pla=YN? --credits=100000000 --capacity=150 --ly-per=26.31 --empty-ly=29.86 --insurance=20000000 --unique --progress --pad-size=L --age=2
* Hop   1: .........1 origins
NOTE: Pruned 60 origins too far from any end stations
* Hop   2: ........38 origins .. 2,840-244,335cr gain, 75-1,628cr/ton
Bibari/Frazetta Vision -> Cubeo/Lubbock Penal Colony (score: 551719.192334)
Start CR: 80,000,000
Hops    :          2
Jumps   :          3
Gain CR :    552,195
Gain/Hop:    276,098
Final CR: 80,552,195

  Load from Bibari/Frazetta Vision (53ls, BMk:N, Pad:L, Plt:Y, Shp:Y, Out:Y, Ref:Y):
       52 x Metals/Gallium                          4,503cr vs    5,906cr, 3 hrs, total:    234,156cr
       42 x Industrial Materials/Superconductors    6,002cr vs    7,413cr, 3 hrs, total:    252,084cr
       18 x Metals/Beryllium                        7,473cr vs    9,071cr, 3 hrs, total:    134,514cr
        9 x Metals/Thallium                         3,131cr vs    4,457cr, 3 hrs, total:     28,179cr
        7 x Metals/Tantalum                         3,346cr vs    4,702cr, 3 hrs, total:     23,422cr
        6 x Metals/Silver                           4,185cr vs    5,574cr, 3 hrs, total:     25,110cr
        5 x Chemicals/Synthetic Reagents            5,969cr vs    7,584cr, 3 hrs, total:     29,845cr
        4 x Metals/Lanthanum                        7,993cr vs    9,697cr, 3 hrs, total:     31,972cr
        3 x Metals/Gold                             9,102cr vs   10,938cr, 3 hrs, total:     27,306cr
        3 x Metals/Thorium                         10,653cr vs   12,452cr, 3 hrs, total:     31,959cr
        1 x Industrial Materials/CMM Composite      5,116cr vs    6,723cr, 3 hrs, total:      5,116cr
  Unload at LTT 537/Gurshtein Hub (395Kls, BMk:N, Pad:L, Plt:N, Shp:Y, Out:Y, Ref:Y) => Gain 218,145cr (1,454.3cr/ton) => 100,218,145cr
  Load from LTT 537/Gurshtein Hub (395Kls, BMk:N, Pad:L, Plt:N, Shp:Y, Out:Y, Ref:Y):
      150 x Medicines/Progenitor Cells              6,012cr vs    8,239cr, 3 hrs vs 18 hrs, total:    901,800cr
  Unload at Cubeo/Lubbock Penal Colony (728ls, BMk:N, Pad:L, Plt:Y, Shp:N, Out:Y, Ref:Y) => Gain 334,050cr (2,227cr/ton) => 100,552,195cr
  ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Finish at Cubeo/Lubbock Penal Colony (728ls, BMk:N, Pad:L, Plt:Y, Shp:N, Out:Y, Ref:Y) gaining 552,195cr (1,840cr/ton) => est 100,552,195cr total

Route 2

trade.py run --from bibari/fraz --to cubeo --hops 2 -vv -v --pla=YN? --credits=100000000 --capacity=150 --ly-per=26.31 --empty-ly=29.86 --insurance=20000000 --unique --progress --pad-size=L --age=2 --lsp=19.76
* Hop   1: .........1 origins
NOTE: Pruned 60 origins too far from any end stations
* Hop   2: ........38 origins .. 2,840-244,335cr gain, 75-1,628cr/ton
Bibari/Frazetta Vision -> Cubeo/Medupe City (score: 533413.554686)
Start CR: 80,000,000
Hops    :          2
Jumps   :          4
Gain CR :    490,365
Gain/Hop:    245,182
Final CR: 80,490,365

  Load from Bibari/Frazetta Vision (53ls, BMk:N, Pad:L, Plt:Y, Shp:Y, Out:Y, Ref:Y):
       77 x Chemicals/Explosives                     209cr vs      845cr, 2 hrs vs 27 hrs, total:     16,093cr
       26 x Metals/Cobalt                            247cr vs      612cr, 2 hrs vs 27 hrs, total:      6,422cr
       26 x Metals/Titanium                          589cr vs      869cr, 2 hrs vs 27 hrs, total:     15,314cr
       21 x Industrial Materials/Semiconductors      462cr vs      775cr, 2 hrs vs 27 hrs, total:      9,702cr
  Unload at HR 9060/Arkhangelsky Station (314ls, BMk:N, Pad:L, Plt:N, Shp:Y, Out:Y, Ref:Y) => Gain 72,315cr (482.1cr/ton) => 100,072,315cr
  Load from HR 9060/Arkhangelsky Station (314ls, BMk:N, Pad:L, Plt:N, Shp:Y, Out:Y, Ref:Y):
      150 x Metals/Gold                            9,111cr vs   11,898cr, 27 hrs vs 1 hr, total:  1,366,650cr
  Unload at Cubeo/Medupe City (333ls, BMk:N, Pad:L, Plt:N, Shp:Y, Out:Y, Ref:Y) => Gain 418,050cr (2,787cr/ton) => 100,490,365cr
  ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Finish at Cubeo/Medupe City (333ls, BMk:N, Pad:L, Plt:N, Shp:Y, Out:Y, Ref:Y) gaining 490,365cr (1,634cr/ton) => est 100,490,365cr total

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eyeonus avatar eyeonus commented on June 25, 2024

That's below 4Kls, so it doesn't get the long distance penalty that kicks in at about 4Kls, they both have the same first system, and it's 60k more credits with the first hop.

Also, the intent of the default isn't to guaranteed always not have long-distance hops. The intent is simply to make them be rare.

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aadler avatar aadler commented on June 25, 2024

Thats 395Kls, not 3.95 KLs.

60K credits may not be worth the extra 394,200 ls.

I'm doing Vela and Katzenstien dock passenger runs now (1.6Mls and 4.1Mlsrespectively) so I wouldn't mind, but 400Kls isn't a walk in the park.

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Tromador avatar Tromador commented on June 25, 2024

Yup. You misread it, eyeonus.

It's 15 minutes flight time and not worth 60k. I could have got in another hop (maybe 2) in that time and made at a minimum 150k

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aadler avatar aadler commented on June 25, 2024

Mathematically, 395Kls means that the full offset to the multiplier is -1, so the score reduction is the full percentage. In this case, with a 87.5% of the 395Kls run is still worth more than run 1. 81% isn't.

Don't forget the rest of the scoring algorithm. The most important element of the score is not the credits until the very last hop. It is getting you closer to your final system.

if goalSystem and dstSys is not goalSystem:
                    dstGoalDist = goalDistTo(dstSys)
                    # Biggest reward for shortening distance to goal
                    score = 5000 * origGoalDist / dstGoalDist
                    # bias towards bigger reductions
                    score += 50 * srcGoalDist / dstGoalDist
                    # discourage moving back towards origin
                    if dstSys is not origSystem:
                        score += 10 * (origDistTo(dstSys) - srcOrigDist)
                    # Gain per unit pays a small part
                    score += (trade.gainCr / trade.units) / 25
                else:
score = trade.gainCr

The result of the above gets multiplied by the final lspenalty, if any.

Only in the final system is the score only the cash. In this case, what's prbably happening is that the 395Kls hop is "on the way" and the other isn't. If you really want to cut those out, you need a hard penalty and not a soft penalty, so use --ls max.

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eyeonus avatar eyeonus commented on June 25, 2024

I think you may be right on that. Looking at the two runs, the first has three jumps, while the second has 4.

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eyeonus avatar eyeonus commented on June 25, 2024

That said, I think maybe the distance scoring could use some tweaking, because I highly doubt one less jump is worth 15 minutes of in-system time.

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aadler avatar aadler commented on June 25, 2024

@Tromador The way Oliver as it programmed, the best run FROM somewhere is not the same thing as the best run TO somewhere, and @eyeonus, I agree with him. If you are going somewhere, the object is to GET there, so that should be emphasized. If you don't want the 15 minute hop, pass ls-max, that's what it's there for.

I would not change the scoring algorithm; I'd rather we use the options that are there. Anyway, I think it's not bad practice to pass lsp=0 and lsp=100 to bookend prior to a run anyway. TD allows us to do that kind of research. How many hours would we spend if we really were heading out into the black :D

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Tromador avatar Tromador commented on June 25, 2024

You know, I was starting to think that maybe we should include a default ls-max as well as a default lsp.

If people want to maximise profit then they can override in the options.

I think that there is a secondary issue that we want to be doing stuff, not sitting about twiddling thumbs on long journeys. How many credits is boredom worth?

Stick a generous default ls-max of say 40k ls and it will kill the long waits stone dead. User experience overriding the maths.

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aadler avatar aadler commented on June 25, 2024

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Tromador avatar Tromador commented on June 25, 2024

I have a .tdrc_run but transcribe the options for completeness.

I am not thinking about us, the expert users, but rather people who might come to the app and what might be a sensible out of the box set up.

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eyeonus avatar eyeonus commented on June 25, 2024

Put some documentation that lsp of 100 is 98.75% guaranteed to never produce a route that has any hops with 4Kls or more in-system travel.

Bam. :)

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