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thefinestsieve avatar thefinestsieve commented on May 18, 2024

I can definitely see their potential usefulness. And I think my usual reluctance towards new personality traits is somewhat ameliorated by the status of these as being closely tied into specific, and new, mechanics. My default position towards new personality traits is definitely one of wariness: I wouldn't want to fall down the rabbit hole of trying to implement the trait everywhere it could possibly be used, but I also wouldn't want to do what most personality trait mods have done and have the traits be ineffectual.

Are you thinking one or the other would always be present? Or, say, something like a 3/3/3 split with those without either trait representing folks who are neither particularly liberal or conservative?

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zijistark avatar zijistark commented on May 18, 2024

Yeah, the hard qualifier for adding new personality traits is effectively: Are the traits truly independent of the other personality traits? If so, them not being accounted for in vanilla modifiers is no problem. Modifier sets are incomplete all the time. Further, their interpretation will always be clear, and thus they will almost never have an ambiguous meaning in any in-game context where you can use them. And, naturally, there must be a, hopefully not arbitrary, mechanism for awarding the trait initially and managing it throughout the lifetime of a character through events.

3/3/3 Split. Most folks (6:3=2:1) usually tend to lean one way or the other, especially because it's a part of everybody's life by definition (there is always the new, strange, or radical which can either be embraced more willingly or not, and usually, folks that are younger to be more accustomed to being forced to embrace the new and strange).

Obviously will get used a ton in the VF [Yes, it's the Vassal Faction, as of today. I'm on a "Simplifying Things Kick" now.] Probably most any event chain I write would incorporate these leanings. They're so fundamental to the way we act. The only thing that's sad is that they can't liberal vs. conservative on different topics. In fact, for some apps we can track something like that, but these traits give us a start on AI leanings at least.

Any idea what the icons would look like? I'm honestly a bit at a loss to express these concepts as icons. Perhaps this will help (in general)

A liberal-leaning personality would:

  • be more likely to take risks
  • be more likely to accept new ideas
  • be more culture-blind and even religion-blind (which is not to say it's not an important topic for them, but tolerance of others' beliefs would come easier to them)
  • be less likely to accept others directing their lives or telling them how to live
  • be more diplomatic, on average
  • tend to be more a man of the common person (or all of the classes more or less are as easy to relate for them)
  • have more friends
  • more likely to have creative (though not necessarily productive) leanings but may not be as good at thinking on their feet
  • new / young / fresh
  • buck social norms
  • blue

A conversative-flavored personality would tend to:

  • be more loyal
  • favor the aristocracy > theocracy > republican > artisan > serf classing
  • be less likely to try new things
  • not gamble so readily
  • suffer from intolerance
  • similarly, be more prepared
  • have an established de jure set of principles and standards and not take well to them being violated
  • would respect authority
  • would respect power for its own sake
  • have more difficulty relating to different types of people
  • have fewer friends
  • have more trouble thinking out the box, but at the same time, tend to be men of action that know what to do automatically
  • old / aged / tried-n-true
  • "just a simple man"
  • care what society thinks of them
  • respect society
  • gold

That tag cloud help at all?

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thefinestsieve avatar thefinestsieve commented on May 18, 2024

Nothing is immediately springing to mind on the graphical front, so I'll do some research and give it a little thought and get back to you on that.

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zijistark avatar zijistark commented on May 18, 2024

Also, liberal:

  • More free (iconography comes to mind here, like "free like a bird")

Conservative:

  • More chained to de jure approaches (obviously, chains, but that's negative, and the icon should be natural, so I'm thinking iconography along the lines of "de jure")

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zijistark avatar zijistark commented on May 18, 2024

After some careful consideration into the fundamental concept behind conservatism, we've decided that it really doesn't deserve a trait of its own: it's simply the default. Liberal remains. Conservative dropped. Any political baggage also dropped, hopefully. And a difficult-to-represent trait icon dropped too.

🎯

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