7 Days to Die, War Thunder and Ark anticheats already run natively on Linux about areweanticheatyet HOT 22 CLOSED

Apologies. I didn't want to give the article too much trust, or credit, but as of currently it's all I knew, and all I found. None of my friends play any of these games except War Thunder, and I probably should have asked them if they knew.

Thank you for correcting the record!

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Ark is a bit dubious. The Linux port is an old version of Ark and you can't play with people running on Windows and such. Calling it "supported" is false advertising in my opinion.

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@Newbytee Is that so? Maybe I should add a new status called "Broken" for such games. Do you by chance happen to have a link to such discussion or other evidence, so I can link it on the website? I'll gladly change the game's status then.

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I can't find anything right now, so I probably misremembered or heard it from some not-so-credible source. Apologies.

from areweanticheatyet.

Ark is a bit dubious. The Linux port is an old version of Ark and you can't play with people running on Windows and such. Calling it "supported" is false advertising in my opinion.

This is absolutely incorrect. I was on a server with other window users yesterday. As I stated above the Linux build is sometimes broken after an update however, if it is broken it is completely broken there is no only playing with other Linux users. I don't know where you're getting your information that you could only play with other Linux users, that is the case with rocket League not with ark.

Edit:. I just noticed your second post and I'm pretty sure you're thinking of rocket League which dropped the Linux port a year ago maybe more and if you owned it as a Linux user you can still download it but it is an old version. I can verify that the anti cheat in Ark does work for Linux and at least at the moment the Linux client is on the same update as windows. It's not always as they will put out the windows update sometimes days before the Linux updatee and are not necessarily quick incorrecting issues if the update breaks the Linux version but at least recently they have been much better about it

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Ark is a bit dubious. The Linux port is an old version of Ark and you can't play with people running on Windows and such. Calling it "supported" is false advertising in my opinion.

This is absolutely incorrect. I was on a server with other window users yesterday. As I stated above the Linux build is sometimes broken after an update however, if it is broken it is completely broken there is no only playing with other Linux users. I don't know where you're getting your information that you could only play with other Linux users, that is the case with rocket League not with ark.

Glad to know I was wrong about that.

Edit:. I just noticed your second post and I'm pretty sure you're thinking of rocket League which dropped the Linux port a year ago maybe more and if you owned it as a Linux user you can still download it but it is an old version. I can verify that the anti cheat in Ark does work for Linux and at least at the moment the Linux client is on the same update as windows. It's not always as they will put out the windows update sometimes days before the Linux updatee and are not necessarily quick incorrecting issues if the update breaks the Linux version but at least recently they have been much better about it

I don't think that's it. More likely I misunderstood those calling the Linux port "abandoned" on ProtonDB when it seems more like they meant that it doesn't get much in the way of bug fixes or performance improvements.

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As I stated in my report it's rougher than the windows version in so far as it doesn't look as good graphically and may not run quite on par on the same system but it's been like it since it was in Early Access. I can understand why people might say it's abandoned because in the past it has been broken for weeks at a time after an update. It has been better recently and the updates haven't been breaking it or they've been very quick about getting it fixed but it's still not uncommon for the Linux update to be a day behind windows. I'm not going to be surprised if once the wine module is enabled that they don't officially drop Linux support but at the moment it's still running natively and is using native anti-cheat

Maybe there should be a third category of natively supported to avoid confusion so somebody doesn't download the windows version and 122 GB later realize that the proton version does not have BE support yet. If added of course the other two games I mentioned should be changed as well and when or if they enable the wine module could be changed to just supported

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@Newbytee Is that so? Maybe I should add a new status called "Broken" for such games. Do you by chance happen to have a link to such discussion or other evidence, so I can link it on the website? I'll gladly change the game's status then.

@Starz0r Ark issue aside, it may be a good idea to implement separate Native and WINE/Proton tabs.

For example running CS:GO with VAC is not an issue on Linux, but running CS:GO VAC through Proton is an issue.

And you may want run CS:GO through Proton, as the OpenGL port is quite garbage with a considerable FPS loss.

This may also matter in cases where Linux build cannot play with Windows build (i.e. Borderlands 2 currently) and anticheat is involved(can't think of a case where both conditions apply currently).

Or someone might want to know whether the game is even available Native or not.

from areweanticheatyet.

@Newbytee Is that so? Maybe I should add a new status called "Broken" for such games. Do you by chance happen to have a link to such discussion or other evidence, so I can link it on the website? I'll gladly change the game's status then.

@Starz0r Ark issue aside, it may be a good idea to implement separate Native and WINE/Proton tabs.

I disagree. I think the website should be as streamlined and easy to understand as possible, and having separate native and Wine/Proton tabs would likely make it confusing for people who aren't familiar. I think it's unlikely that a game both officially would support being run through Proton and natively on Linux, so I think the sensible thing would be to say something like Supported (Proton) and Supported (Native).

For example running CS:GO with VAC is not an issue on Linux, but running CS:GO VAC through Proton is an issue.

I think this might be misleading to people not familiar with Linux/Proton.

And you may want run CS:GO through Proton, as the OpenGL port is quite garbage with a considerable FPS loss.

People keep saying this but I've never actually seen a benchmark show it: https://youtu.be/LfE_EQQvD5o

This may also matter in cases where Linux build cannot play with Windows build (i.e. Borderlands 2 currently) and anticheat is involved(can't think of a case where both conditions apply currently).

I don't think this is worthwhile bothering with until there is an example of this.

Or someone might want to know whether the game is even available Native or not.

I think that's out of scope for this website.

from areweanticheatyet.

I think it's unlikely that a game both officially would support being run through Proton and natively on Linux,

It appears from the statement of Wildcard that at least temporarily this is going to be exactly the condition of Ark once they enable the proton battleye module. Until such time as they drop official Linux support it will be officially supported on both. However I'm guessing Ark is going to be the exception, so it might not be worth instituting its own category for just a note that it's supported in both would suffice until such time as there are others to actually make a category for.

CSGO it's also it's on unique case that might not be worth completely revamping the website for. The only thing the anti-cheat interferes with for my understanding is if you are trying to play tournaments. I believe you can do that natively on Linux you just can't do it with proton as the special anti cheat that they use for tournaments will not run in proton.

While having a category for natively supported might be worth adding due to the handful of games that use these two anti cheats that are currently problematic in wine but currently run fine natively, I think the website will get to cluttered if it tries to get off into the weeds with every single nuance of various edge cases.

Currently there's four categories: unconfirmed, confirmed, supported, I believe denied or some other category that signifies it's not going to be enabled. Those four cover pretty much any situation and the rest could be covered by natively supported.

As in a side that's not really relevant to this particular issue but does pertain to the website. I see that games that have VAC have been added, as far as I'm aware VAC in general works in proton so any game failing to run in proton is not failing due to VAC. Of course VAC also runs natively

As there are a large multitude of games that use VAC the website could very easily become overrun by them maybe a better option would be to put a notification on the main page about VAC itself being supported in both native and proton versions and then giving a link to another table that just lists all the games that use VAC.

That's just a suggestion on my part and is obviously up to the person who's actually coding the website as to whether it's feasible or worth the work but as VAC is completely agnostic as to who whether it's running natively or in proton it might make the website easier to read

from areweanticheatyet.

Note, I did not want to start any type of a debate or discussion about the layout of the website I just mentioned the valve anti cheat in passing as it didn't seem worth opening an issue for. We should probably refrain from a discussion on that point so that this thread does not quickly become unreadable

from areweanticheatyet.

Ark is a bit dubious. The Linux port is an old version of Ark and you can't play with people running on Windows and such. Calling it "supported" is false advertising in my opinion.

This is absolutely incorrect. I was on a server with other window users yesterday. As I stated above the Linux build is sometimes broken after an update however, if it is broken it is completely broken there is no only playing with other Linux users. I don't know where you're getting your information that you could only play with other Linux users, that is the case with rocket League not with ark.

Edit:. I just noticed your second post and I'm pretty sure you're thinking of rocket League which dropped the Linux port a year ago maybe more and if you owned it as a Linux user you can still download it but it is an old version. I can verify that the anti cheat in Ark does work for Linux and at least at the moment the Linux client is on the same update as windows. It's not always as they will put out the windows update sometimes days before the Linux updatee and are not necessarily quick incorrecting issues if the update breaks the Linux version but at least recently they have been much better about it

No rocket league is great on Linux me and my friends on Linux can play with everyone including cross players. The game uses server side anti cheat and nothing much at the client side. It works great with proton (I am using heroic games launcher with proton GE).

from areweanticheatyet.

No rocket league is great on Linux me and my friends on Linux can play with everyone including cross players. The game uses server side anti cheat and nothing much at the client side. It works great with proton (I am using heroic games launcher with proton GE).

Rocket League does not have any anticheat that I am aware of but may use some server side anticheat.

That is however, not at all relevant to this issue. I only referred to Rocket League as possibly what the post mentioning Ark was thinking about when they mentioned that you can only play with other linux users. This was the case with rocket league after it dropped Linux and mac support. The linux version was still on the steam servers and if you had owned it previously you could still install the native Linux version(in fact to my knowledge you still can to this day). However when you download the native version you were stuck only being matched with others using the linux version. I believe that now even the matchmaking for the linux version is turned off by the devs so idk if there is any way to play the native client with other players at all anymore.

People that own the linux steam version can play the windows version if they force proton compatibility for the game and anyone using the egs version can play with wine, that is correct. However that is not really relevant to this project as there is either no anticheat at all for the game or it is only server side so would not interfere with anyone playing in wine/proton so is really out of the scope of this project I believe.

from areweanticheatyet.

7 Days to Die runs natively on linux but the performance is very bad
Thats why you may choose the windows version over the native version

7 Days to Die has cross-platform multiplayer anyway

from areweanticheatyet.

A. As far as I am aware it performs about the same in Windows as it does in Linux. The game is still under heavy development in fact it's still considered an alpha build.

B. How well a game runs is not relevant to this project. This project has one purpose:

1. Does not game have anti cheat?
2. If the answer to that is yes does the anti cheat currently work in Linux
3. The answer to number two is the only thing that is really relevant for this project.

Everything else is irrelevant. All of the games listed run natively with the anti cheat working as far as this project is concerned that means they're supported.
Until such a Time as this project decides to break the games down as to whether the anti cheat works natively or works in proton these comments are completely off topic

I personally don't think it would be a bad idea to break them down by native and proton but that is up to the person running the project. FFS until that happens quick clogging this report with irrelevant comments

from areweanticheatyet.

Ark does not work under linux if you plan to use Battle eye I don't know why you said its supported when it does not even work with the anti cheat on multilayer please test the game before saying that it works when it does not

from areweanticheatyet.

Ark does not work under linux

It has a native Linux port. I assume you got it from Epic Games Store?

from areweanticheatyet.

Ark does not work under linux if you plan to use Battle eye I don't know why you said its supported when it does not even work with the anti cheat on multilayer please test the game before saying that it works when it does not

That is absolutely incorrect it works just fine with battleye when used natively and has for as long as the game has had BE.

But what do I know I only have more than 2,000 hours of Ark all played on Linux and all played in multiplayer because I don't like single player

from areweanticheatyet.

Native Linux Version of ARK is unusable. Unstable, many graphical bugs, delayed updates, worse graphics overall, but AntiCheat Works.

Although this doesn't matter anymore, see this Steamworks article: https://store.steampowered.com/news/group/4145017/view/3104663180636096966

I've tested it on offical and Battleye enabled unoffical Servers, it works flawlessly. ARK is propely supported now.

from areweanticheatyet.

Native Linux Version of ARK is unusable. Unstable, many graphical bugs, delayed updates, worse graphics overall, but AntiCheat Works.

Although this doesn't matter anymore, see this Steamworks article: https://store.steampowered.com/news/group/4145017/view/3104663180636096966

I've tested it on offical and Battleye enabled unoffical Servers, it works flawlessly. ARK is propely supported now.

How well the game run is not relevant to this project, The point of this project was to track anticheat. The anticheat has always worked in Ark. It was always "properly supported" by the anticheat

With proton experimental and Steam Beta BE is working in proton now, that is correct. I have not personally tested it but I have more than one report from other users saying that it works.

As an aside, "unusable" it not true. I have over 2K hours in the state you insist is unusable. Obviously the game is "usable", it may not meet your standards of perfection but that does not make it unusable.

from areweanticheatyet.

I know that this is about tracking the anticheat status, but i still wanted to mention how bad the native build is.

Also, i don't know what maps you play and what you consider as "usable", but Genesis Gen1 is by far the worst with missing Textures. Most of the ground is just gray squares and nothing else. I personally wouldn't call that "usable".

And i have over 2.3k hours too, just as a side note...^^ It just seems like i have higher standards for "usable"

from areweanticheatyet.

tbf I have not played and of the genesis maps, they didn't interest me at all, so I cannot speak to any missing textures for those maps.

I did not say the game played well, only that it was playable. Being able to play with proton will be a great QOL improvement for the game as native is so poor but it is usable for all the other maps afaik. The only thing the linux version had over windows was the lack of ground clutter so you could find eggs and death bags that would get easily lost in the grass on windows ;).

Not to start a discussion that would be off topic here but I suspect that WC will use the proton compatibility as a result to drop the linux client. Sad if we lose one more native game, but overall considering general state of the game on linux and the state of linux "support" we currently have, I'm honestly not sure it will really be "that" much of a loss. (I will be sure to turn my ground clutter off or down to almost 0 if that happens or I just move to proton for improved performance..)

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