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pchickey avatar pchickey commented on August 31, 2024

We only support THREAD_MODEL = single at this time. I don't know everything that would be required to get the posix model to work, but @sunfishcode likely wold.

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sbc100 avatar sbc100 commented on August 31, 2024

Building with THREAD_MODEL=posix would mean the resulting binary would only be runnable on the VM that supports the threads proposal: https://github.com/WebAssembly/threads.

Currently the only place I know that that is supported by default is in chrome or chromium-derived browsers.

Presumably as well as THREAD_MODEL=posix you would also want access to a pthreads library which wasi-sdk/wasi-libc doesn't currently provide and some low level syscalls for thread creation and destruction which are not currently part of WASI.

Having said all that, perhaps you don't actually required threads, and in this case I don't see why llvm shouldn't be able to lower away TLS accesses just like does atomics. I actually a little surprised that it doesn't.

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sunfishcode avatar sunfishcode commented on August 31, 2024

I believe wasm backend in LLVM 8 doesn't have TLS support; it was added in LLVM 9. And also, as others have noted, THREAD_MODEL = posix is not fully implemented in wasi-libc yet. We'd like to support it, and some parts are done, but there's more work to be done. And also, yes, to be useful outside of environments like browsers which already have threads, we'll need additional WASI APIs for threat management.

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sbc100 avatar sbc100 commented on August 31, 2024

@Shillaker, are you looking for threading support or would you be OK the compiler simply compiling TLS to regular global data (i.e. better support THREAD_MODEL = single)?

For the later it sounds like you could try LLVM 9. For the former, there is more work do be done.

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Shillaker avatar Shillaker commented on August 31, 2024

Thanks for the quick and detailed responses. Sorry I should have been clearer before, the answer is more the latter. I'm doing some research for which I'd like to compile some legacy pthread-based code to wasm and produce a binary that makes all the "normal" thread-related syscalls. As a result I don't need a compliant VM, just something that compiles. I didn't know about the LLVM 9 TLS support so I'll have a play with that and try to include standard pthreads from musl. Thanks again for the info, very much appreciated!

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