Arrow's status about culture HOT 16 CLOSED

The trend I've noticed from what you linked here is that he often asks a generic, vague, question that requires some back-and-forth to figure out what he's talking about or trying to do. It's hard for me to fault him for that, since I do the same.

I didn't notice any undue aggression, hostility, or obtuseness. There's a bit of vamping, and a bit of communication breakdown, but nothing really problematic.

He also contributes to the room, even if it's not a large amount. For example, his code helped me learn about combinators composed entirely of the function composition operator, which I thought was pretty cool.

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I understand why you would be tired of trying to Help Arrow. Sometimes he seems vampy, sometimes, just confused and/or lost. So.. just don't. You are never required to help or engage with someone you don't want to.

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I think the links you've chosen highlight your own failings when dealing with people, rather than any problematic trend. I might be one of the most vocal critics of Arrow's code, but I don't think many of those cases are vamping. Posting code and responding to feedback is not the usual pattern.

Public issues targeting a user like this, without any serious claim of breaking rules, are not appropriate and should be closed (precedent).

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@kendfrey comparing me to a broken romanian plate given that context is undue aggression that genuinely hurts because of my famously insecure personality. I do need to grow up, but the users of room 17 shouldn't have to endure that.

As far as your contribution example goes, can you provide a link to the transcript? You may well be right, but I seem to remember that you learnt that while trying to help him on another vamp quest of his, and it lead you to pose a question yourself and learn the answer

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@towc I've never seen him post anything remotely worth reading, and he posts a lots of messages. He's the first person I've used the chat's ignore feature on.

I don't think it's something that's ban worthy though, some people are just like that. I'd suggest ignoring him. It's weird seeing people talking to themselves sometimes, but you're really not missing anything by having his messages hidden.

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@luggage66 I don't mean this in a condescending way at all, but I genuinely don't understand why you keep on helping him. That should be none of my business, but by my nature, it's something that makes me really mad. This is again not meant to sound accusatory at all, but can you explain why you do it?

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@ssube well, I'm trying to keep a balanced view while still openly expressing my mind, which is why I criticize myself too. If you were referring to my transcript messages, then I do admit to having a problem, but it came about after repeated cases like these.

If you keep asking questions without seeming to listen, doesn't that count as vamping? And the clearly offensive messages not in good spirit are a fairly obvious violation of the rules

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I've had a number of meaningful back-and-forth conversations with Arrow, about both currying and DI, so I think your accusations are unfounded and rude.

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@ssube I'm not doubting Arrow's ability to make constructive conversations

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@towc Re the plate comment, it was possibly in poor taste but not intentionally malicious. His next message was:

@towc let it go bro I'm just messing with you.

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@kendfrey this was my take on it from the issue

Arrow then pings me with semi-apologies that are still meant to clearly imply that it's my fault for all of this, and I do the non-mature thing for assuming he meant his apoligies

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I disagree as well. He isn't vamping in the full meaning of the phrase, he just seems to not grasp it all. That is probably causing him to get lost and ask a question that appears vague to people who do this everyday, but not to people who are learning and are looking for answers. It's not like he doesn't listen too - I've also seen him working with what other chat members provided and trying to make something out of it - be it clumsily or not. I'm pretty sure everybody has been there at some point, so instead of acting 'aggressive' towards him in chat I'd suggest you point him to how he should do his research and solve problems.

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@ctrldavid there are various known issues with the concept of ignoring itself. While it as an option, it's not one that I'll consider with the current state of things, and that applies to anyone, not only Arrow

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@Kamilczak020 I disagree with your opinion that he's listening. Sure, he has sometimes had some conversations which had nothing majorly wrong with them, but the majority of the conversations I've witnessed were either one-way or were simply discouraging other members from being constructive.

And I've had various previous conversations with Arrow, in which I calmly pointed him to resources and suggested ways to find out how to solve his problem, but one of the reasons I snapped in this last one was because he rarely ever listened. There's a context to this context. It's gone too far

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@towc I agree with you 100%, having a chat with messages hidden is really shit, it's not something I suggest lightly. Arrow is the first and only regular I have hidden, and it has genuinely helped make chat more enjoyable to read.

Having an abrasive personality is not ban worthy (otherwise I'd be long gone) so your only real option is to wait for him to annoy enough people that an issue like this actually gains some traction. At the moment people seem to be content with tolerating him. I'm not, so I hide his messages.

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This message has reached enough people. I think it can be closed for now

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